They didn't use the same type of ship Rose and Finn used to get to Canto Bight.
Those ships didn't have hyperdrives.
And? That doesn't mean the shields are down. We don't see any FX of a shield going up or down.
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Those ships didn't have hyperdrives.
Then they could have just used the same ship multiple times, it doesn't make a difference.
We often don't see shield effects. Take the OT for example.
Shields are like magic in Star Wars. They come and go. Otherwise, as Tuskin notes, how did the Falcon connect with the Star Destroyer?
It could only hold 4-5 people.
Yes, but you're ignoring all the other instances of things just going through shields.
And they could have used it as many times as they wanted.
Not without refueling and the First Order gaining on them
They could have got more fuel every time they left.
Now that you mention it, the escape pod material in the movie concerning Finn and Rose doesn't make any sense either.
Apologies for the repost, but it's been 1.5 years, so...
Bonus: Driver gives his best performance
Many were unimpressed with the plotting behind Ben Solo's absurdly predictable redemption and equally inevitable self-sacrifice. Indeed, it seems most online commentators wanted him to remain and die a toxic cishet white male - and, sure, given who was the American president for most of the trilogy, that's fair. But TRoS provided Driver with what was objectively his biggest ST character progression, and his performance matched the challenge.
5. Luke is Luke / the heroes are celebrated
Using stray bits of Carrie Fisher footage to cobble together a creepy and artificial performance was a mistake, but at least it was done in service of what Rian Johnson's Luke said couldn't be done - bringing Ben Solo back to the light. In other words, after two movies in which our OT heroes were broken down and degraded, TRoS is the only one to portray them in a respecting, even celebratory way. Ghost Luke feels like Luke again, and Lando gets to survive. Hell, it's the only ST film in which Luke, Leia, and Han all speak!
4. It's got a halfway decent baddie in Palps
Granted, resurrecting Palpatine out of nowhere was as dumb as the lightspeed skipping sequence, but MacDiarmid nonetheless gave the trilogy its only satisfying villain. Snoke was a one-dimensional nothing, and Kylo was always too poorly developed to be an adequate saga-closing enemy on his own.
3. It explained why Ben Solo went bad... sort of
Why did Ben Solo become a school shooter? His fall to the Dark Side is the precipitating event of the ST, and the question of whether he can be redeemed is the central dramatic fulcrum of all three flicks. (The prospect of redeeming Anakin Skywalker, on the other hand, isn't even on the table until halfway through the OT's third entry.) Therefore, if the audience is going to have as any understanding of Ben Solo/Kylo Ren character, they require some explanation for why Leia's only child went bad, and only TRoS offers one: turns out it was Palpatine "whispering in his ear" all along.
Hacky, reductive, and dramatically unsatisfying? Sure, but at least it's something, whereas TFA and TLJ gave us nothing, just "he had too much Vader in him" and "Luke suddenly sensed he was almost gone, and then an ill-considered confrontation pushed him over the edge." Given Ben Solo's parentage, a redemption arc was pretty much preordained from the start, but only TRoS bothered to provide any reason for why said redemption was necessary in the first place.
2. It's the only ST flick to unite its trio
The best aspects of the ST are surface level: the beautiful imagery, lavish and tactile production design, and the charismatic cast. Not only does TLJ make the colossal blunder of keeping its main trio of Ridley, Isaac and Boyega almost entirely separate, Rey and Poe don't even meet for the first time until over four hours of screen time have elapsed! The trio's adventures in TRoS may be convoluted and nonsensical, but they're the only ones we got, which make them the best by default. What's more, the three charismatic actors have unsurprisingly great chemistry, and watching them play off of each other is a blast.
1. It's the end of the ST
The ST was a chaotically produced mess that recycled the structure and countless plot points of the OT to shortsighted, money-printing ends. Walking out of TFA and TLJ, I dreaded having to revisit this debacle of a story, but after seeing TRoS, I experienced a pleasant sensation of relief. Even if some or all of these characters return someday, this volume of the saga is mercifully, definitely over. TRoS is deeply mediocre, but it's the easily the most fun of the three, and it's only four minutes longer than TFA and ten minutes shorter than TLJ, so it's the clear winner.
Further reading:
Top 5 Reasons TRoS is the Best Sequel Trilogy Episode
Bonus: Driver gives his best performance
Many were unimpressed with the plotting behind Ben Solo's absurdly predictable redemption and equally inevitable self-sacrifice. Indeed, it seems most online commentators wanted him to remain and die a toxic cishet white male - and, sure, given who was the American president for most of the trilogy, that's fair. But TRoS provided Driver with what was objectively his biggest ST character progression, and his performance matched the challenge.
5. Luke is Luke / the heroes are celebrated
Using stray bits of Carrie Fisher footage to cobble together a creepy and artificial performance was a mistake, but at least it was done in service of what Rian Johnson's Luke said couldn't be done - bringing Ben Solo back to the light. In other words, after two movies in which our OT heroes were broken down and degraded, TRoS is the only one to portray them in a respecting, even celebratory way. Ghost Luke feels like Luke again, and Lando gets to survive. Hell, it's the only ST film in which Luke, Leia, and Han all speak!
4. It's got a halfway decent baddie in Palps
Granted, resurrecting Palpatine out of nowhere was as dumb as the lightspeed skipping sequence, but MacDiarmid nonetheless gave the trilogy its only satisfying villain. Snoke was a one-dimensional nothing, and Kylo was always too poorly developed to be an adequate saga-closing enemy on his own.
3. It explained why Ben Solo went bad... sort of
Why did Ben Solo become a school shooter? His fall to the Dark Side is the precipitating event of the ST, and the question of whether he can be redeemed is the central dramatic fulcrum of all three flicks. (The prospect of redeeming Anakin Skywalker, on the other hand, isn't even on the table until halfway through the OT's third entry.) Therefore, if the audience is going to have as any understanding of Ben Solo/Kylo Ren character, they require some explanation for why Leia's only child went bad, and only TRoS offers one: turns out it was Palpatine "whispering in his ear" all along.
Hacky, reductive, and dramatically unsatisfying? Sure, but at least it's something, whereas TFA and TLJ gave us nothing, just "he had too much Vader in him" and "Luke suddenly sensed he was almost gone, and then an ill-considered confrontation pushed him over the edge." Given Ben Solo's parentage, a redemption arc was pretty much preordained from the start, but only TRoS bothered to provide any reason for why said redemption was necessary in the first place.
2. It's the only ST flick to unite its trio
The best aspects of the ST are surface level: the beautiful imagery, lavish and tactile production design, and the charismatic cast. Not only does TLJ make the colossal blunder of keeping its main trio of Ridley, Isaac and Boyega almost entirely separate, Rey and Poe don't even meet for the first time until over four hours of screen time have elapsed! The trio's adventures in TRoS may be convoluted and nonsensical, but they're the only ones we got, which make them the best by default. What's more, the three charismatic actors have unsurprisingly great chemistry, and watching them play off of each other is a blast.
1. It's the end of the ST
The ST was a chaotically produced mess that recycled the structure and countless plot points of the OT to shortsighted, money-printing ends. Walking out of TFA and TLJ, I dreaded having to revisit this debacle of a story, but after seeing TRoS, I experienced a pleasant sensation of relief. Even if some or all of these characters return someday, this volume of the saga is mercifully, definitely over. TRoS is deeply mediocre, but it's the easily the most fun of the three, and it's only four minutes longer than TFA and ten minutes shorter than TLJ, so it's the clear winner.
Further reading:
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Historically speaking, Star Wars trilogies don't end all that well. And of course this dynamic is not by any means confined to Star Wars. It's the infamous "trilogy curse". Off the top of my head, I can only think of one film trilogy that escaped the curse in its third installment, and I don't think that one actually counts because it was based on a well-known and highly regarded book trilogy.
According to what metric?
I guarantee that if you ran a poll, Revenge of the Sith, Return of the Jedi, and The Rise of Skywalker would all top a large chunk of fans' Favorites lists.
I guarantee TROS will not be high up there at all.
This argument is terrible.
Luke by the time of TLJ had gone through a traumatic experience that would change anyone.
Either way, by the end of the movie he got over it and was back to full form.
People are allowed to change over time, especially when trauma is involved.
Yeah, sure, “a large chunk” of fans is a meaningless metric. Some of us like smelly things, and we should deal with ourselves!
Then again, it's not like Star Wars had a dozen of film trilogies. Or even, like, four.
That's too uncontroversial a statement.
Not when it comes to heroes. Heroes are expected to be the same no matter the era.That's too uncontroversial a statement.
What makes your argument terrible is that Johnson could have written the same functionally traumatized Luke without making him a deadpan snarker. Tossing the lightsaber, glaring at a young woman while drinking warm milk, eating meat - all these were gratuitous and bad writing choices that could have been omitted without any change to the plot. (A Jedi, even a fallen one, should be a vegetarian, obviously.)
Wrong again. "Full form" Luke would have made some effort, no matter how fleeting, to plead with his only nephew to renounce the Dark Side and turn back to the light. Rian Johnson!Luke, however, just taunted and humiliated him. Anyone who's seen Johnson's last two movies knows he loves sassy protagonists, and he managed to not make Rey a jaded snarker, but I guess he couldn't bring himself to do the same for Luke.
There's nothing in the canon that states that. Pretty sure we've seen at least one Jedi eat meat.
Nothing you state there ruins the character in any way. He's been living as a hermit for 20 odd years.
I'd probably do that too.
I had stumbled across a video that revealed Anakin's backstory between "The Phantom Menace" and "Attack of the Clones", created by Disney Lucasfilm. Needless to say, I was a bit horrified how increasingly one-dimensional Disney has transformed the character.
Refusing to help his sister and her forces from her psychotic son?
Refusing to help his sister and her forces from her psychotic son?
Not too many fans hold Rise of Skywalker in high regard at all. Meanwhile, Return of the Jedi was the subject of the "third one's always the worst" joke in X-Men Apocalypse.
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