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Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x20 - "Supernova, Part 2"

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The shuttle escape scene was just like the opening of ST09 - mostly music, sad mood, very powerful!
I wonder how kids are gonna take it, leaving Holo Janeway behind to blow up, and losing the ship, though it does include the lesson to think of it as a young star becoming what it's meant to be. Beautifully written!

Captain Murf!
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There's an Enderprizian at the Academy
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I kinda do expect S2 to be on Voy-A now :D
My s2 prediction is that the Vindicator will kidnap Gwvn, which will lead to Dal an
d the others to hijack the Protostar class ship in a bid to rescue their friend.
 
I am curious about the Vindicator. She was very ruthless. Did she kill a real Asencia? Did she get any affection for anyone in her time infiltrating, or was she able to keep herself completely distant?

Another thought I have: With Murf being put in Starfleet, and even manning a station at one point, does that mean he's fully sapient? Why is he just making noises? The universal translator is not translating whatever he's saying. Is he a mutant slime worm, or are they all like that?
 
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but in the very last scene, Zero has legs in one shot, and no legs in another... Normally I never notice such nitpicky things, but I was wondering if that could not have been fixed in post....?
 
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but in the very last scene, Zero has legs in one shot, and no legs in another... Normally I never notice such nitpicky things, but I was wondering if that could not have been fixed in post....?
It’s not the first time it has happened in the show.

Has that been said? The ship is just over 10 years old. That’s young for a starship
Not in an episode but one of the creators said it was turned into a museum. It’s also sorta mentioned on a display in Picard Season 2, but it’s not legible on screen.
 
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Has that been said? The ship is just over 10 years old. That’s young for a starship

Agreed, but, I think it was stated by the Prodigy writers that VOY was placed/turned into a museum (much like it happened in the timeline from which future Admiral Janeway came from in 'Endgame').

Given its historic journey (that quite frankly no one else in SF managed to do), I think SF wanted to turn it into a monument.

From my perspective, there were still 190 years left in that ship... and with upgrades/refreshement of the frame over time, the ship would effectively end up feeling like brand new anyway after each major upgrade cycle that involved larger external design alterations (for example) which I think would come about roughly once every 50 - 100 years (so, you can have the same frame/ship which was 'refreshed' and upgraded progressively - and because SF could use replicators and transporters, even the very core of the ship's superstructure can easily be harnessed as raw material and turned into state of the art one - effectively brand new).

Given how advanced UFP is though, removing a ship from active duty for the purpose of cultural enrichment is not a big deal.
They can easily make another one.

My s2 prediction is that the Vindicator will kidnap Gwvn, which will lead to Dal an
d the others to hijack the Protostar class ship in a bid to rescue their friend.

The kids JUST managed to get on SF's good side... I certainly hope they don't try something like that, but instead do so with Admiral Janeway (should Gwyn indeed end up captured by Ascensia).

Once the kids mature more and and get proper training under Admiral Janeway, its possible SF will give them access to the Protostar class ship.

I really thought Janeway was going to show them Voyager at the end, but then there was that rather abrupt cut. You can tell this was made for network tv. :)

Honestly, the idea didn't really cross my mind.
VOY's time in the limelight was over for the most part, and given that Janeway said she had 'much bigger plans' for them, it stood to reason that she had something else in mind (I'm curious as to what that is).

As for abrupt cuts... Prodigy seems to be 'littered' with those. End scenes of various episodes do just 'end' rather abruptly with even the music cut off.
I wonder if that's intentional to make the cut for a given run time (as maybe they can't go over that) and the production team DID in fact finish the scenes that say have the music 'fade out' along with the final screen (for example) - but if they did cut things in order to meet the run-time requirements, wouldn't it be easier to re-adjust the fade outs to conform to the time limit?

It was a nice episode but I was hoping for some more legacy characters at the academy. Bashir should have defended Dal for the Augment DNA.

Why?
Admiral Janeway was closer to the kids and is an Admiral who knew the situation in detail.
I would have preferred though that she made the argument that Dal had no control over the fact he was genetically modified in the first place, and then pointed out that given everything he did to date, he showed them that he acted in line with SF's principles and ideals.

Also, SF's 'objection' to the kids 'stealing' the Protostar was baseless. They found the ship buried in Tars Lamora and used it to escape slavery... AND they made a conscious decision to 'return' the ship eventually (after doing a few good deeds to try and make up for the fact they were using the ship).

And given their previous experiences with authority and 'larger' organisations, SF should have been more understanding that it took them time to come around to the idea that what UFP offerred was in fact genuine - I think this could have been implemented into the dialogue when VA Janeway was arguing on their behalf.

Starfleet did feel rather useless during that battle. They were just sitting around doing sod all. I think it’s safe to assume the Enterprise wasn’t there. They would have solved the problem in no time.

Given that the fleet was under the weapon's control, it stands to reason that the fleet couldn't really do anything apart from what the Construct told it to do (which is shoot at each other).

My disappointment with SF actually tracks to the previous episode (19) because no one else besides the Diviner, Ascensia or Dreadnok beamed onboard the Protostar (before they activated the weapon).

The crews of all those other ships should have noticed beam-ins to the Protostar that had no known UFP biosigns (aka, the Diviner, Ascensia and Dreadnok) and sent more (actual SF personnell) in.

That was a way too short but beautiful ending to the saga. I didn't realize I loved these kids until I saw their "mom" have to say goodbye to them. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about holo-Janeway herself even now, but I do see her as being more of a unique person than I did when this started. She showed a vulnerability I rarely saw with the real Janeway. I got misty-eyed with her final words.

It did feel unexpected how they decided to end things with Gwyn, but I feel it would have been better if Janeway said all 6 of them were accepted under VA Janeway wing... but then Gwyn made her own decision to not join up with them and instead go to Solum to try and unify the Vau'N'A'Kat.

If the show does put the kids as the crew of a Voyager-A, I hope it's not just populated with Voyager alums, though guest appearances would be fantastic. Maybe a pre-Picard flashback Icheb could be part of it. Naomi Wildman, depending on how she aged, could be a cadet or ensign working with them as well. I hope they keep Tysess and Noum, who I'd like to get to know better. I expect Gwyn will end up with them before long.

If I recall correctly, Mulgrew mentioned in one of her interviews that she wanted to bring all of VOY cast to Prodigy at some point.
I think Season 2 will certainly be interesting in this regard... and will feature most of the cast of VOY, but possibly not all of them.

Naomi being back as a cadet.... that would make sense.
The actress who portrayed Naomi was 12 years old by the time VOY ended. So, if Naomi was maturing about 1.7x faster than an average human, she would have been about 16 years old just 2 years and 3 months after VOY returned home.

I think it may have been mentioned that 16 years old is the 'minimum entry age requirement' for SF Academy (for humans that is), and if Naomi was an equivalent age and she still wanted to join SF, then she could be in her third year of Academt training by 2383 and Janeway may decide to assign her under her own command and resume her training in the field with the Prodigies when she goes to that mission to future Solum and rescue Chakotay.

I wonder if we will see Icheb too. Having Manu Intiraymi reprise his role as a voice actor for Icheb would certainly be interesting... but, according to online sources, Icheb dies in 2386 (unnecessarily at that because of ST: Picard writers). So he'd still have 3 years to live I suppose, and we could see him on Prodigy (I'd wish though that Pic S1 didn't just kill him off).

Side note:
It was nice to see the kids in SF finally... and even Zero got a new containment suit (which looks pretty good).
I seriously wonder what the writers will do with the new Protostar class ship though (if anything).
Somehow I doubt the show won't use the ship anymore in S2, although its certainly possible.
 
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This episode explains the description of one of a books announced a couple months back
https://www.simonandschuster.com/bo...a-Rose-Clarke/Star-Trek-Prodigy/9781665921206
The crew is on their way to Starfleet. Their shuttle is cramped, and everyone is cranky. That’s when Murf spots a moon that isn’t on their charts. Murf really wants to go there, so the crew decides to make a stop to stretch their legs and get some supplies.


From my perspective, there were still 190 years left in that ship...
A perspective that has rarely if never been backed up by the canon.

She went through seven years of hell, then probably had all that future tech ripped out of her.
 
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I have really, really mixed opinions on this one. The problem with it is though it contained many poignant scenes which provided good payoff of the seasonal arc, those individual scenes didn't comprise a full episode - not even the second part of a two-parter. This was pretty clearly about 1/3rd the end of the final act of last week, and then 2/3rds epilogue. And while all of this would have worked fine tacked onto last week's episode, as a single weekly drop it was probably the single worst episode (in terms of structure) in Star Trek history. Lots of good content, but the parts did not make a whole.

I am happy that they took their time with the finale, and we got so many longer, drawn-out scenes to explore the character interactions and what happens after the climax of the story. That said...the climax was incredibly anticlimactic. The gang come up with an idea to save the day literally a single minute into the episode. That plan goes off without a hitch. The Construct does not try to interfere, Ascencia and Drednok do not reappear, there's not even some sort of last-minute technological snafu. Indeed, the framing of everything, right from the first minute, is saying "this is the conclusion, this is the only possible solution!" which means we're just strapped in for the now foreordained conclusion. They do lengthen it a bit with Holo-Janeway's fond farewell, but this is like if Best of Both Worlds Part II came up with the "Borg hack" two minutes into the episode, we were done with the Borg in 15 minutes, and then we were dropped right into Family!

I did have a few other minor niggles along the way as well. I was let down how after the ultimate sacrifice of Holo-Janeway, there was very little in the way of consequence. The kids won, they got into Starfleet (except for Gwyn, who has another path). Here I am able to give the show some credit, as it's a kids show, so a happy(ish) ending is generally expected, but it was all just a little too saccharine and unbelievable to me. Particularly that all of them became acting cadets - even Rok-Tahk (who seems to be the mental equivalent of a 10-year old) and Murf (who cannot verbalize in a comprehensible fashion, acts like a small child at times, and may not even be sentient). I mean, come on...Murf is a pet, a mascot, he's not one of the kids! But all of this stuff can be forgiven on the "grading the show on a kids show curve." The structural issues with the episode cannot though. If Lower Decks can figure out how to do a season finale properly in the same runtime, Prodigy should be able to as well.
 
Yes, but think of the mileage!!

Irrelevant really.
With replicators and transporters, SF can easily use the existing superstructure of the ship by breaking it down into base elements and restructuring them into state of the art superstrucure.
Even if the design doesn't change, you can essentially 'refresh' the superstructure to 'brand new' with every major upgrade cycle.

But, SF's decision to retire VOY would likely be cultural. Aka, turn it into a museum piece and a 'beacon of hope' to let people know of what is possible.
 
A step down from last week in many respects but still enjoyable. Mostly. Kinda felt anticlimactic and that sudden click to blackness and the end credits after Dal looks up into the sky to see the trail of Gwyn's ship was a little too sudden, feeling almost poorly edited, but on-balance this was one I'd rewatch. Not sure what grade I'd give this but it definitely isn't a 9 or 10.

Cool to see the Protostar become a production vessel class, though.
 
Has that been said? The ship is just over 10 years old. That’s young for a starship

Same happened to Enterprise NX-01, which was launched in April of 2151 and decommissioned just a little over 10 years later, right after the signing of the Federation Charter. Starfleet has a habit of scrapping perfectly good starships long before their time and it's one that goes back well over 200 years.
 
I have really, really mixed opinions on this one. The problem with it is though it contained many poignant scenes which provided good payoff of the seasonal arc, those individual scenes didn't comprise a full episode - not even the second part of a two-parter. This was pretty clearly about 1/3rd the end of the final act of last week, and then 2/3rds epilogue. And while all of this would have worked fine tacked onto last week's episode, as a single weekly drop it was probably the single worst episode (in terms of structure) in Star Trek history. Lots of good content, but the parts did not make a whole.

Its possible a lot of the cuts needed to be made to fit everything into 21 min and 20 seconds of actual runtime for the final episode - perhaps it would have been wiser to give us 21 episodes in total and just merge 20 and 21 together (or make it more like an episode and a half... like extra 10 mins to spread out the stuff.

All in all, I do think they did well.

I am happy that they took their time with the finale, and we got so many longer, drawn-out scenes to explore the character interactions and what happens after the climax of the story. That said...the climax was incredibly anticlimactic. The gang come up with an idea to save the day literally a single minute into the episode. That plan goes off without a hitch. The Construct does not try to interfere, Ascencia and Drednok do not reappear, there's not even some sort of last-minute technological snafu. Indeed, the framing of everything, right from the first minute, is saying "this is the conclusion, this is the only possible solution!" which means we're just strapped in for the now foreordained conclusion. They do lengthen it a bit with Holo-Janeway's fond farewell, but this is like if Best of Both Worlds Part II came up with the "Borg hack" two minutes into the episode, we were done with the Borg in 15 minutes, and then we were dropped right into Family!

The Ascensia and Dreadnok not reappearing makes sense. They left the crime scene after doing the deed... but this particular bit was left open for Prodigy to explore in Season 2. In effect, its possible she and Dreadnok will become something similar to what Seska was in the initial 2 years of VOY's journey and dealings with the Kazon.

As for coming up a quick solution early on... eh, considering Prodigy runtime and all, consider it a shortened version of a solution you'd get in live action.
Its like compressing 45 mins into 10 mins of runtime and then another 10-11 mins for the next bit.

Even contrasted to 'Best of Both Worlds' two parter, the crew of ENT-D DID in fact come up with a quick fix to send the Borg to sleep too.

Like I mentioned above, it may have been better if the last episode had a longer runtime, like another 10-20 mins to have a more cohesive binding I suppose... but only 20 episodes to date were ordered for S1.

I did have a few other minor niggles along the way as well. I was let down how after the ultimate sacrifice of Holo-Janeway, there was very little in the way of consequence. The kids won, they got into Starfleet (except for Gwyn, who has another path). Here I am able to give the show some credit, as it's a kids show, so a happy(ish) ending is generally expected, but it was all just a little too saccharine and unbelievable to me. Particularly that all of them became acting cadets - even Rok-Tahk (who seems to be the mental equivalent of a 10-year old) and Murf (who cannot verbalize in a comprehensible fashion, acts like a small child at times, and may not even be sentient). I mean, come on...Murf is a pet, a mascot, he's not one of the kids! But all of this stuff can be forgiven on the "grading the show on a kids show curve." The structural issues with the episode cannot though. If Lower Decks can figure out how to do a season finale properly in the same runtime, Prodigy should be able to as well.

Its not as if the live action doesn't have similar moments where they made similar allowances.
In regards to Rok-Tahk, considering how long she spend in that slower time frame and how much she learned, its possible SF gave her a bit of a pass here.
Also, they may be 'acting cadets', but they officially aren't cadets (not really)... but being placed under VA Janeway wing would provide all of them to mature more.

As for Murf... he's clearly sentient, and ever since his evolution, he can understand language clearly (and showed signs of that even before evolving). Now is just a matter of him becoming 'verbal'... maybe there's a special translator he will get in S2 so he can actually speak to everyone else... but considering SF also has less than verbal creatures serving in it, its possible he will be communicating differently with others.
Besides, its not as if it would be impossible for Murf to communicate... he doesn't need to be vocal to get a point across.

Lower Decks was more episodic rather than had a season long story arc, so its easier for it to wrap things up in a smaller amount of time.
Prodigy established quite a lot of content/material, so getting through all of that in the same time frame would be challenging to say the least.
I'm not saying the finale of S1 of Prodigy doesn't have issues (and I'm saying this probably could have been fixed if the runtime of the final episode was allowed to be longer by another 10 mins or so), but considering the constrictions of time, etc... I think they did the best they could.
 
Same happened to Enterprise NX-01, which was launched in April of 2151 and decommissioned just a little over 10 years later, right after the signing of the Federation Charter. Starfleet has a habit of scrapping perfectly good starships long before their time and it's one that goes back well over 200 years.

In the extreme case, assuming the dates on Memory Alpha are accurate, construction on the Enterprise NCC-1701-A was completed in 2287 (the date of the events of Star Trek V) and it was decommissioned in 2293 (after the events of Star Trek VI) for only a 6-year lifespan.
 
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