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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Which is a travesty and incredibly disrespectful towards the character (and I say that as someone who has never been the biggest fan of the character).

Agreed, but no studio is going to invest what we can safely assume will be a fortune into a new Superman film (with the intent to launch his own film series), see it fail, then race back to the drawing board...to shell out more cash on a character the shepherd of the new DC film universe failed to score big with the first time around.

Let's put it this way: with Zaslav stating Superman should be the biggest character / priority, and it under-performs, what happens to the other planned DC films in this universe--not meaning sequels to the separate continuities of Joker or The Batman?

That's completely evading my counterpoint.
WB thought Phillips was the best option and begged him for the role.

No, it is not. Do you seriously believe WB would not attempt to get Phillips to the table again and again, if they thought he would best serve their interests? This reads as trying to sell Gunn's hiring as some second place choice on WB's part. That's not the case, particularly when one considers the precedent for wanting to MCU-ize DC films set years ago by WB by dropping Whedon into the JL theatrical release's production. That decision sent a message that WB wanted a MCU-ized / Avenger-ized version of the Justice League. Now that the MoS continuity is pretty much a closed book after 2023, Gunn--the other MCU veteran brought to WB, first for his take on TSS & the spin-off series, and now as head of the entire DC film/TV output does not read as a coincidence.
 
Why this underlying assumption in these arguments that the new films are going to fail?
Some of it is folks who feel repeatedly burned by DC and don't trust them ever to get it right at this point.

Some of it is vindictive wishful thinking by those who were attached to the DCEU and resent its getting round-filed.

Being in neither camp, I'm excited to see what Gunn and Safran come up with.
 
Why this underlying assumption in these arguments that the new films are going to fail?

It is a hypothetical related to what the fate of the character might be if the film underperforms. Relevant since a studio has gone through a sweeping shake-up / DC slate-cleaning and is banking on the fate of its biggest IP with a major reboot.



Apparently, you go ahead and make Batman Vs Superman and Justice League.

The last one being a disaster which the fans rejected, hence the opposite reaction to ZSJL.
 
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wow, I never heard about that.

Oh no? It came after the assault charges, accusations of rape, and transphobic emails. He got in a drunken argument with a woman sitting near him and called 911, saying she had a bomb and was gonna blow up the train.

He was charged but got off due to mental incompetence.
 
Which works better for some opinions than others. Repeatedly and frequently asserting that one does not care about something is... less than convincing.


I didn't realize it was up to anyone to determine which opinions were okay to repeat and which ones weren't.
 
Aside from his first "Guardians of the Galaxy" movie, Gunn's other MCU content didn't impress me.




I'm not claiming that Gunn's Superman movie will be terrible. I don't know whether it will be good or bad. I'm just not interested in the DCEU or Gunn anymore. I've had it. If his Superman movie turns out to be great, I hope you will enjoy it.

If you don’t actually use he quote button the people you’re quoting won’t be notified, plus the lack of names attached to quotes might make it confusing to follow along.


I didn't realize it was up to anyone to determine which opinions were okay to repeat and which ones weren't.
But then you quote this properly.

Anyways no one else repeats their opinion insistently like you do. That’s why it stands out.
 
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Yes, it is. The information and facts are out there, Gunn wasn't first or even second choice.

Which is meaningless. A lot of people who weren't the first or second choice turn out great. Stanley Kubrick was a replacement for the original director of Spartacus. Steven Spielberg was the second choice to direct Jaws. William Shatner only got the Star Trek gig after Jeffrey Hunter walked and Jack Lord demanded half-ownership of the show.
 
Which is meaningless. A lot of people who weren't the first or second choice turn out great. Stanley Kubrick was a replacement for the original director of Spartacus. Steven Spielberg was the second choice to direct Jaws. William Shatner only got the Star Trek gig after Jeffrey Hunter walked and Jack Lord demanded half-ownership of the show.

It's meaningful to the points being discussed.
It's being claimed that Gunn got the job solely because they want someone with that MCU experience to copy what's being done, that he was only hired because of that. But Gunn not being the first choice shows they're looking at qualities that aren't based on an MCU track record, that there's more to it if they obviously wanted others first with zero experience in that department. Did it help? Of course. But it's obviously not what they were looking at primarily.
 
It's meaningful to the points being discussed.
It's being claimed that Gunn got the job solely because they want someone with that MCU experience to copy what's being done, that he was only hired because of that. But Gunn not being the first choice shows they're looking at qualities that aren't based on an MCU track record, that there's more to it if they obviously wanted others first with zero experience in that department. Did it help? Of course. But it's obviously not what they were looking at primarily.

Ah, I see. Sorry I misunderstood.
 
The sequence of events will be:

Gunn does his Young Superman film. On release it will fail to clear $1 Billion+ at the Box Office worldwide.

Gunn will then be 'released' and his updated plans for the new DCEU scrapped in short order.
 
Yes, it is. The information and facts are out there, Gunn wasn't first or even second choice.

Utterly irrelevant to Gunn--with his MCU work--and WB's previous history bringing former MCU talent to DC--leading to Gunn being the one WB hired.
It's funny that every opinion you've stated as fact since the WB merger took place has ultimately turned out completely wrong, it's tough to take your opinion as fact very seriously.

What--exactly have you posted which has been factual, hmm? I post links to verified reports or speculation, then respond. You--on the other hand--go on and on and on trying to attack opinions that are not the equivalent of performing cartwheels for anything coming out of the studio door. Yes, its very apparent, as in the Gunn case, where you have posted absolutely no evidence for the reason Gunn was hired at all, yet you're arguing against the precedent for WB wanting to MCU-ize DC films set years ago by putting Whedon on JL. Whoops. That is real history that cannot be denied. That is how a pattern of interest is formed, which is more than your "Nuuhitsnot" routine. You are arguing for the sake of it, and its a crumbling ground to stand on, guy.
 
I didn't realize it was up to anyone to determine which opinions were okay to repeat and which ones weren't.

Please ignore anyone attempting to play that controlling BS and continue to state your opinions. After all, this is a thread which has played host to endless posts loaded with incessant criticism of the MoS continuity, calling for the destruction of anything related to said continuity, personal attacks about Snyder or fans of his work (truly disturbing) and other examples of this kind of behavior. You can find it repeated throughout this thread and others (e.g., the Superman thread). Notice how no one is calling for an end to that group of opinions, which are repeated time after time after time.
 
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