No it isn't.
No they didn't, they took place in an alternate timeline.
Spoilers General Prodigy plot-arc speculation thread...
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I wonder if the CGI animation team will put a ring like shockwave around it or not then?
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I wonder if the CGI animation team will put a ring like shockwave around it or not then?
I do not want to keep explaining things repetitively, but this is why I think that explosions of such magnitude should have a disk blast shockwave.
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I read it.
I still think how I think. I am probably wrong...I have no way of knowing what they will do until it happens.
Indeed.
In the season finale, I (presently) see the following as main possibilities:
-Gwyn manages to get the construct under control or partial control, using specific Vau N'akat properties and knowledge gained from her father
-the crew attempts to destroy the Protostar, and the construct interferes and it ends up communicating and negotiating with the crew to avoid mutual assured destruction (this would imply the construct is not only living, but also intelligent and able to adapt)
-the crew attempts to destroy the Protostar, but through interference of the construct (or maybe of holo-Janeway and/or Ascencia) and the timey-wimey properties of the protostar drive, destruction somehow turns into time travel instead, either pulling them a few hours into the past (giving a reset button) or decades into the future (to get Chakotay, somewhere in S2). To VA Janeway and co, it may look like the Protostar exploded into a supernova and they might believe them all perished, which would also mean the Starfleet chase won't continue in S2.
-the crew and holo-Janeway actually manage to destroy the Protostar. Since our young protagonists aren't going to die, holo-Janeway takes one for the team here and perishes with the ship (possibly to return later, along with Chakotay, from the future) after she somehow gets the others to safety.
Season 2 would then involve Chakotay, contact with Solum (possibly done by Gwyn only, at first, as she can probably move through Vau N'akat society undetected and she in any case wouldn't cause alarm regarding the existence of aliens, even if she gets caught as an intruder of sorts) and the problem of augments in Starfleet. And some new storylines, I suppose. And with Ascencia no doubt running interference at crucial points.
If the Protostar is lost in the season finale, I guess at least part of S2 would be based on the Dauntless, as it has the speed to reach Solum and VA Janeway also has experience with timey-wimey stuff and the motivation to get Chakotay.
-Gwyn manages to get the construct under control or partial control, using specific Vau N'akat properties and knowledge gained from her father
-the crew attempts to destroy the Protostar, and the construct interferes and it ends up communicating and negotiating with the crew to avoid mutual assured destruction (this would imply the construct is not only living, but also intelligent and able to adapt)
-the crew attempts to destroy the Protostar, but through interference of the construct (or maybe of holo-Janeway and/or Ascencia) and the timey-wimey properties of the protostar drive, destruction somehow turns into time travel instead, either pulling them a few hours into the past (giving a reset button) or decades into the future (to get Chakotay, somewhere in S2). To VA Janeway and co, it may look like the Protostar exploded into a supernova and they might believe them all perished, which would also mean the Starfleet chase won't continue in S2.
-the crew and holo-Janeway actually manage to destroy the Protostar. Since our young protagonists aren't going to die, holo-Janeway takes one for the team here and perishes with the ship (possibly to return later, along with Chakotay, from the future) after she somehow gets the others to safety.
Season 2 would then involve Chakotay, contact with Solum (possibly done by Gwyn only, at first, as she can probably move through Vau N'akat society undetected and she in any case wouldn't cause alarm regarding the existence of aliens, even if she gets caught as an intruder of sorts) and the problem of augments in Starfleet. And some new storylines, I suppose. And with Ascencia no doubt running interference at crucial points.
If the Protostar is lost in the season finale, I guess at least part of S2 would be based on the Dauntless, as it has the speed to reach Solum and VA Janeway also has experience with timey-wimey stuff and the motivation to get Chakotay.
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S2 however (at least I think) should feature VA Janeway because of Chakotay, etc.
Also, with Mulgrew being part of the series from the start, do we have any indication that she won't be technically part of the series anymore?
Furthermore... if the Protostar is destroyed (and holo-Janeway too), how would she make a come back from the future when Chakotay sent the Protostar with holo Janeway into the past?
The possible solution to this would be the kids end up in the future and prevent the Protostar from being weaponized in the first place. Events unfold for the most part as they do, but the crew 'insulate' the Protostar from being hacked by the Construct (even if its still placed onto the ship), so opening hails to SF ships would not cause them to destroy themselves.
Prodigy has done quite a lot thus far and actions of the crew involved the Federation to a large extent (however unfortunate it may have been).
I don't think the series will be going with a big reset button or time travel undoing everything that happened.
The only time travel that I can thnk of will probably be done to rescue Chakotay and his crew, and possibly changing the events so that First Contact with Solum doesn't happen, or still happens, but avoids a civil war (if you ask me, I think it would be more interesting to leave things as they are and fix the Solum in the actual future where Chakotay is because it should be stated that this whole thing is a predestination paradox that had to happen either way).
There's still the temporal anomaly that brought the Protostar to the future to take into consideration. If that's still intact, they could mount a rescue mission for Chakotay and record the position of Solum in the DQ upon exiting the anomaly (if the trip doesn't damage the ship like it did with the Protostar - and its possible that the very fear of this might end up preventing SF from bringing Chakotay to his time frame).
Call me crazy, but I think this whole thing is a predestination paradox to begin with and can't/won't change the consequences for Solum.
Aka, a Federation ship is dispatched to search for Solum specifically so they can see where Chakotay will end up and keep the record in their database so they can rescue him in the future when he appears there.
Problem is, the very search for Solum could trigger First Contact to begin with... and SF knowing this is a predestination paradox (somehow) cannot really do anything to change the fact Solum will undergo a civil war (especially considering the Temporal Prime Directive).
Though future Janeway from Endgame certainly didn't shy away from ignoring it (because its just plain easier to do rather than to give her a headache).
Predestination paradoxes usually end up in a way so that they happen regardless of what's done to try and change the outcome (or the very things that crews try to change things bring about the same sequence of events to begin with).
There is no proof that the civil war was destined to happen @Deks . Starfleet need to stay away from Solum until they are ready for First Contact. This is the whole point of general order number one :
"No starship may interfere with the normal development of any alien life or society."
Starfleet know from the future that Solum is not ready for first contact as their first contact caused a civil war. If Starfleet *still* make contact with Solum in the future then they should abolish the Prime Directive if they can not abide by the primary rule of their own First Contact system.
"No starship may interfere with the normal development of any alien life or society."
Starfleet know from the future that Solum is not ready for first contact as their first contact caused a civil war. If Starfleet *still* make contact with Solum in the future then they should abolish the Prime Directive if they can not abide by the primary rule of their own First Contact system.
It isn't, it collapsed.
We have no proof that says the civil war on Solum is not destined to happen though. As I said, the whole situation seems to be a predestination paradox to me (but I could be wrong).
It could happen either way.
Also, if SF avoids FC with Solum, they'd be breaking the Temporal Prime Directive, remember?
Usually SF as a whole doesn't authorize something like that... its the individuals within SF who might decide to break it - and we don't know if that's going to happen here, or if it could be done (especially if its a predestination paradox).
Also, its not like numerous other societies didn't undergo civil wars due to unexpected FC's and SF/UFP allowed them to perish due to the non-interference protocol.
Vulcans, Humans, and other species in Trek underwent their own versions of civil wars (and they didn't have external help to prevent them)... but it also benefitted them in the end because when they managed to bring themselves back up and repair the mess they caused, they managed to join the interstellar community.
For crying out loud, TNG mentioned that UFP 'allowed' various societies to perish even.
Does it make SF/UFP cruel?
No. It just means they are following their own rules which were put in place to protect them as much as others from their own influence.
Not every society can handle First Contact... but it looks to me that the division on Solum was already there... it was just sparked up a bit earlier by First Contact it seems.
And even if FC never happens, its still possible/likely that the Vau'K'A'Nat could undergo a civil war either way because of a completely different/internal reason (only this time, it could mean total annihilation of the Vau'K'A'Nat).
Also, Solum is Warp capable, and has starships... how long before they encounter another species (which may not be as friendly as the Federation) and the whole charade happens again, only this time, worse?
You can not make important policy decisions on what ifs.
I believe that this whole situation now falls under the jurisdiction of the Temporal Investigations department. This could be the flash point that led to the Federation creating the Temporal Prime Directive.
Starfleet should now stay away from Solum, they are interfering with another cultures development with hindsight, a hindsight that has temporal repercussions that they are very well aware of if they interfere.
Where are Dulmar and Lucsley?
The Temporal Prime Directive already exists.
Well it needs implementing, I forgot that it already exists because of the time war. There would need to be an inquiry at the very least. What does the Temporal Prime Directive say about future events that are known about? Does the Temporal Prime Directive say that future events should be left to unfold even though they are yet to happen? Or can history be rewritten? Is the fate of Solum written as indelibly as that of Romulus and Remus?
Voyager mentioned it first before the Time War was even a thing.
Enterprise complicated things.
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