I don't know about Keeler... he states he was developing feelings for her before Spock discovered she was the focal point of the divergence. I think that was genuine love.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Interesting thread. Here are mine.
1. Chuckles and Seven is a good pairing.
2. Janeway was 100% correct in 'Tuvix'.
3. Star Trek Enterprise was AWESOME from start to finish and should have been the first 10-year series.
4. T'Pol is my favorite Star Trek character.
5. 'Carbon Creek' is my favorite Star Trek episode.
6. Burnham's long braids shouldn't be allowed in SF regulations.
7. They completely butchered the character Kira Nerys when she made the decision to kill her mother because she was with Dukat.
8. Except for the last 12 minutes (or so) of STiD, all the "Kelvin timeline" movies are awesome.
9. Chris Pine is an OUTSTANDING Captain James T. Kirk
10. The "Kelvin Timeline" is a cop-out by Orci because he was afraid to anger Star Trek fans. Star Trek has always had one and only one timeline.
That should be a good start.
1. Chuckles and Seven is a good pairing.
2. Janeway was 100% correct in 'Tuvix'.
3. Star Trek Enterprise was AWESOME from start to finish and should have been the first 10-year series.
4. T'Pol is my favorite Star Trek character.
5. 'Carbon Creek' is my favorite Star Trek episode.
6. Burnham's long braids shouldn't be allowed in SF regulations.
7. They completely butchered the character Kira Nerys when she made the decision to kill her mother because she was with Dukat.
8. Except for the last 12 minutes (or so) of STiD, all the "Kelvin timeline" movies are awesome.
9. Chris Pine is an OUTSTANDING Captain James T. Kirk
10. The "Kelvin Timeline" is a cop-out by Orci because he was afraid to anger Star Trek fans. Star Trek has always had one and only one timeline.
That should be a good start.
I'm not familiar with this. Care to elaborate?
IMO the ending they gave Captain Sisko was crap.
Fair enough-- with Edith there was mutual respect, admiration for her vision of the future. (“let me help”)
Kirk wanted Rayna as a trophy to possess – beautiful, brilliant, accomplished. He felt so strongly after 2 hours with her because he brought her emotions alive, while his powerful adversary Flint could not. She gave him the victory in romance, before she self-destructed.
Speaking of artificial women Kirk met – what did Kirk do for several days on the shore leave planet with ‘Ruth’ when he knew she was a total fabrication -?
Interesting thread. Here are mine.
1. Chuckles and Seven is a good pairing.
2. Janeway was 100% correct in 'Tuvix'.
3. Star Trek Enterprise was AWESOME from start to finish and should have been the first 10-year series.
4. T'Pol is my favorite Star Trek character.
5. 'Carbon Creek' is my favorite Star Trek episode.
6. Burnham's long braids shouldn't be allowed in SF regulations.
7. They completely butchered the character Kira Nerys when she made the decision to kill her mother because she was with Dukat.
8. Except for the last 12 minutes (or so) of STiD, all the "Kelvin timeline" movies are awesome.
9. Chris Pine is an OUTSTANDING Captain James T. Kirk
10. The "Kelvin Timeline" is a cop-out by Orci because he was afraid to anger Star Trek fans. Star Trek has always had one and only one timeline.
That should be a good start.
Indeed.
1. They had some good moments as friends and it might have worked. It just comes off as too, "there are only a few episodes left, let's do something fast. It comes off as just something to push Janeway to destroy the timeline for three people.
2. Tuvix was alive. Neelix was dead. Tuvok was dead. The rights of two dead individuals do not supersede the rights of one live one. To the extent that the two were alive in the one form, both were happy in that form and clearly wished to continue living.
That would be enough for me to call her wrong, but the cherry on top that makes it extra intolerable is, the way the episode unfolds, Tuvix comes in there and pleads his case and pretty much makes it. We can see that Janeway is leaning his way pretty hard. Then Kes comes in with, "I WanT My NeEliX baCK!" after which she pretty instantly decides that he needs to die. It's like she suddenly decided to do a favor for her bestie.
3. I trashed ENT a lot when it aired, but I think it holds up well. And then, as now, I don't think any Trek has captured that sense of being on the frontier and that sense of the crew as a family like ENT did since TOS. It certainly ended too soon.
5. It rates pretty high for ENT for me, too.
7. I think it fits her character inasmuch as she has always been someone who will do anything for Bajor to be free, The bigger problem is that she promised Sisko that she wouldn't trash the timeline and killing Dukat seems like it's a big trash of the timeline.
8. I enjoy them all, too.
9. I liked him a lot, too. Was always happy with the portrayal.
10. Star Trek has at least two: the original and the almost, but not quite timeline created by First Contact.
Synopsis: DS9...every bit of it...all 7 seasons...was to be Benny Russell's work of fiction.
And, agree with the above. It's "Dallas" and "Once dead Bobby Ewing in the shower after Pam Ewing has a dream" writ-large.
If he had done that, I can't imagine Behr would have ever been able to show his face at a convention.
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Probably had fun the same way he enjoyed knocking Finnegan on his ass... living in the moment.
Behr wanted to reveal that DS9, and by extension, all of Star Trek is just short stories/novels written by that Benny Russel character from "Far Beyond the Distant Stars"
As I said I find it stupid and navel gazing. Plus Behr didn't have the right to do that, imo, he didn't create Star Trek.
Plus, like any "it was all a dream" ending it makes the whole thing pointless. We all know we are watching/reading a fictional world, so why remove any point from it by saying it's also fictional in-universe?
Interesting thread. Here are mine.
1. Chuckles and Seven is a good pairing.
2. Janeway was 100% correct in 'Tuvix'.
3. Star Trek Enterprise was AWESOME from start to finish and should have been the first 10-year series.
4. T'Pol is my favorite Star Trek character.
5. 'Carbon Creek' is my favorite Star Trek episode.
6. Burnham's long braids shouldn't be allowed in SF regulations.
7. They completely butchered the character Kira Nerys when she made the decision to kill her mother because she was with Dukat.
8. Except for the last 12 minutes (or so) of STiD, all the "Kelvin timeline" movies are awesome.
9. Chris Pine is an OUTSTANDING Captain James T. Kirk
10. The "Kelvin Timeline" is a cop-out by Orci because he was afraid to anger Star Trek fans. Star Trek has always had one and only one timeline.
That should be a good start.
Good list. Amazingly enough, you’ll find you have an ally on many of these points!
Here’s my responses to your points:
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Agree it was a great show…I enjoyed it much more recently in a full watch- thru than I did when it premiered, mainly because I was just burned out on Trek in general
4. T’Pol is my favorite ENT character
5. It’s a good episode, but not my favorite.
6. Agree, but maybe 32nd century Starfleet has different regulations?
7. I love Kira…probably in my top 3 franchise characters…so I have to disagree here. I may not agree with what she did, but I understand it and it’s part of who she is.
8. Agree (inclusive of the last act of ID which is absolutely abysmal)
9. Yes
10. Agree it was a cop-out, but it’s a clever one at least.
You're looking at it the wrong way. The Kelvin Timeline is necessary because otherwise they couldn't go all-out if they were going back to TOS. Plus I'd just as soon forget about those movies and separating Star Trek into "Prime Timeline" and "Kelvin Timeline" takes care of it for us.
Similarly, I'm glad DSC was jumped into the 32nd Century so I don't have to hear prequel arguments anymore. "What about SNW?" Not my problem. Let the people who are fans and haters of that show argue about it non-stop until the end of time.
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Yeah, most of the time prequels just aren't a good idea, and they inevitably end-up re-writing pre existing notions.
I still watch SNW because I ended up liking the characters and tone, plus I'm completely non-invested in TOS canon, so I don't mind if they ever "break" it.
I don't agree. Nothing is changed in the prime timeline until we see it.
But that's why I listed it, it's controversial.
"Horizon" was the best that ENT S2 had to offer.
But "Carbon Creek" and "Dead Stop" were good, too.
But "Carbon Creek" and "Dead Stop" were good, too.
Travis not only got to shine in that one but his brother and mother actually turned out to be engaging characters as well. Montgomery was so poorly served by the writers that it's no wonder he's widely regarded as the most wasted main or otherwise important character of any Trek series.
Though poor Rios in Season 2 of PIC definitely deserved better.
Though poor Rios in Season 2 of PIC definitely deserved better.
Just because it's controversial doesn't mean I can't respond to it.But that's why I listed it, it's controversial.
Never did I say you shouldn't list it. I just said why I thought you were looking at it the wrong way, which you disagreed with. Case, Rebuttal, Case.
1. J/C forever.
2. There was no "correct".
3. If it had gotten a fifth season, I think it would have at least gotten the traditional seven. And with Jeffrey Combs as a regular, who knows?
4. The only thing I disliked about T'Pol was her outfit. She should have worn something more Vulcan-looking.
5. It's a fine episode.
6. I think it's ridiculous that we don't have more culturally diverse hairstyles. We need men with mullets!
7. It seems a little unnecessary. But it at least explains Dukat's "thing" for Kira.
8. Deferred until I see them again.
9. Given that a circa 1960's William Shatner wasn't available, Pine was fine.
10. ONE timeline? How about the Yesterday's Enterprise timeline? The Visitor timeline? The Before and After and Year of Hell timelines? The Twilight timeline? And I'm not even getting involved in "Parallels"!
And here's a controversial opinion of mine... Travis Mayweather was the most competent person on the NX-01 Enterprise. He not only should have been promoted, he should have been captain.
T'Pol's eyebrows in Seasons 1 and 2 were makeup I hated, but at the time I didn't realize that Jolene Blalock had an agreement not to shave off her eyebrows to apply false Vulcan eyebrows because she was also doing modeling work while ENT was on the air, so simply modifying her normal human eyebrows to look slightly more exotic was the compromise. Her makeup and outfits in the freshman and sophomore seasons never worked for me but the replacements starting with Season 3's premiere were infinitely better and I liked the way T'Pol was depicted in the Xindi Arc and during the final season of the show.
IIRC, a disillusioned Benny Russell would throw all his rejected manuscripts in the garbage. A janitor or garbageman would then empty out the garbage, see the manuscripts, read them over and take all of them. This individual would then be revealed to be wearing a nametag with "Gene" written on it.
My (probably not that) controversial opinion:
Data pushing Beverly off the sailing ship into the holo-ocean was not only hilarious but totally in keeping with the spirit of Beverly's instructions to be "spontaneous and live in the moment", and the crew were dicks for making him feel like shit about it (which he totally did, even prior to the emotion chip) after they just got done laughing their asses off about the same thing happening to Worf.
So much so that they gave poor Data a complex and made him choose a way off-the-books life-altering upgrade to his "brain" with the 'roided up emotion chip borrowed from his evil dead brother that he had to dismantle and beam into space because he made him perform experiments on his best friend. So reliving some traumatic experiences to start with your new emotions. No wonder he immediately switched to Mr. Happy-Go-Lucky Mode right off the bat to hide his existential pain and regret.
Anyway, pushing Dr. Crusher into the drink was no different than pushing a friend into the pool after you all just got done laughing at your other friend being pushed into the pool, and start a chain reaction, except since it's the holodeck, no one's clothes get ruined, you can dry out in an instant, and you won't smack your head on the side or bottom of the pool (however, the holodeck characters might try and kill you). Data probably reflected on that after putting the chip in, and said "I don't care what they say, Mr. Tricorder, that was funny as fuck" using his new vocabulary of colorful metaphors.
Data pushing Beverly off the sailing ship into the holo-ocean was not only hilarious but totally in keeping with the spirit of Beverly's instructions to be "spontaneous and live in the moment", and the crew were dicks for making him feel like shit about it (which he totally did, even prior to the emotion chip) after they just got done laughing their asses off about the same thing happening to Worf.
So much so that they gave poor Data a complex and made him choose a way off-the-books life-altering upgrade to his "brain" with the 'roided up emotion chip borrowed from his evil dead brother that he had to dismantle and beam into space because he made him perform experiments on his best friend. So reliving some traumatic experiences to start with your new emotions. No wonder he immediately switched to Mr. Happy-Go-Lucky Mode right off the bat to hide his existential pain and regret.
Anyway, pushing Dr. Crusher into the drink was no different than pushing a friend into the pool after you all just got done laughing at your other friend being pushed into the pool, and start a chain reaction, except since it's the holodeck, no one's clothes get ruined, you can dry out in an instant, and you won't smack your head on the side or bottom of the pool (however, the holodeck characters might try and kill you). Data probably reflected on that after putting the chip in, and said "I don't care what they say, Mr. Tricorder, that was funny as fuck" using his new vocabulary of colorful metaphors.
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Yeah I always had trouble understanding that one. They make Worf fall into the water, everyone's laughing. Data asks, Beverly tells him to join the fun and be spontaneous, he pushes her in the water and everyone's like "No! Don't do what she told you! Bad Data!". Humans... /shakes head
You should certainly expand on that, as I’m given to understand Black women really appreciate discussion and critique of their hair styles…
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