Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x18 - "Mindwalk"

[Akiraprise]

9/10

Much better than last week. Kate's performance as Dal was great. Significant plot advancement. A fleet of Starfleet ships not entirely copy paste. You just have to not think very hard when it comes to mind swap episodes and how they occur. Looking forward to next week!

Quite the fleet, with at least 19 Sovereigns, 16 Centaurs, 8 Akiras, and 2 Defiants!

Disappointed no Intrepids. Be cool to see Voyager with .... gasp! ... Harry Kim in command?! (as an ensign)

Goofy fun with some nice character moments for Admiral Janeway. Also: "I once turned into a salamander." I mean...come on. This show knows how to both honor Trek continuity and take the piss out of it.

This was great. I laughed out loud.

Biggest laugh for me was Rok suggesting some deflector-dish tachyon technobabble and Jankom going "Beep boop."

When she spouted all the typical Trek technobabble I thought they will have no idea what she just said. Jankom's reply was spot on.

I’m confused at the Diviner freeing her up though.

This was confusing to me as well.

I say again…the Dauntless is one ugly damn ship.

There aren't many external views we've seen where it isn't fugly. Although the orthographic views we see on the various screens inside the ship are not too bad.

Perhaps Drednok is controlling it secretly from behind the scenes. Drednok has been quiet… suspiciously so.

I'm thinking the same. Drednok is pulling the strings. The Diviner and Vindicator may change their minds about the UFP but he'll never allow the mission to stop.

 

[Tuskin38]

Be cool to see Voyager

It's a museum.

 

[Dukhat]

It's a museum.

But that information is from a different show. We have no idea how internally consistent the showrunners will be between five different series.

 

[Tuskin38]

But that information is from a different show. We have no idea how internally consistent the showrunners will be between five different series.

One of the Prodigy showrunners said the same thing.

 

[cooleddie74]

And it's also in a museum in the original(now alternate)2404, which means Starfleet could have treated Voyager differently once she came home loaded down with advanced future tech from a now-excised timeline. She might be in a museum, she might be a training vessel. Who knows?

 

[Dukhat]

Logically, Starfleet should have done one of two things:

1. Strip the ship of all its future tech and then decommission or destroy the ship.

2. Immediately destroy the ship so that none of its future tech that Starfleet shouldn't yet have will corrupt the timeline.

I'm guessing they went with #1.

 

[Timofnine]

Logically, Starfleet should have done one of two things:

1. Strip the ship of all its future tech and then decommission or destroy the ship.

2. Immediately destroy the ship so that none of its future tech that Starfleet shouldn't yet have will corrupt the timeline.

I'm guessing they went with #1.

Maybe that was Endgame Admiral Janeway’s true motive; her intention came across as being to travel back in time in order to manipulate Voyager in to getting home early, in the process decimating the Borg using a neurolitic virus. Admiral Janeway may also have wanted the future tech transported to 24th century Starfleet just as much as she wanted to get her crew home. The Admiral may have known that Starfleet would need this future tech in order to defend themselves against an upcoming threat in the late 24th/early 25th century, such as to protect against Species 8472 for example. There could be a whole fleet of Starfleet ships somewhere with Batmobile like future armor backwards engineered from Voyager, a bit like when Starfleet had experimental starships such as the Defiant and Excelsior in the past.

 

[Tuskin38]

Maybe that was Endgame Admiral Janeway’s true motive

No

 

[Dukhat]

Maybe that was Endgame Admiral Janeway’s true motive; her intention came across as being to travel back in time in order to manipulate Voyager in to getting home early, in the process decimating the Borg using a neurolitic virus. Admiral Janeway may also have wanted the future tech transported to 24th century Starfleet just as much as she wanted to get her crew home. The Admiral may have known that Starfleet would need this future tech in order to defend themselves against an upcoming threat in the late 24th/early 25th century, such as to protect against Species 8472 for example. There could be a whole fleet of Starfleet ships somewhere with Batmobile like future armor backwards engineered from Voyager, a bit like when Starfleet had experimental starships such as the Defiant and Excelsior in the past.

No. Admiral Janeway's motive was purely a selfish one in that she wanted the ship to get home quicker so Seven and Chakotay would go from being dead to being a couple. Which ended up not happening anyway.

 

[Timofnine]

No

Worst case scenario is that this armour from the future could help defend Starfleet vessels against the Living Construct, at least from a damaging first strike; the Living Construct could damage the armour making it only effective once. Maybe this future armour shielding can even protect starships from the blast of a supernova? I know that it does not take long to ‘install’, at least it didn’t on Voyager. The Protostar would look cool with this tech too.

 

[Dukhat]

Worst case scenario is that this armour from the future could help defend Starfleet vessels against the Living Construct, at least from a damaging first strike; the Living Construct could damage the armour making it only effective once. Maybe this future armour shielding can even protect starships from the blast of a supernova? I know that it does not take long to ‘install’, at least it didn’t on Voyager. The Protostar would look cool with this tech too.

The Living Construct is essentially a computer virus. Armor would have no effect.

 

[Timofnine]

The Living Construct is essentially a computer virus. Armor would have no effect.

Then how did it rip the Starfleet communication station to pieces if it was just a computer virus? Computer virus affect software and do not destroy hardware. It looked more like some sort of gravitational/quantum weapon rather than a computer virus, which means that the Living Construct could possibly affect a star if injected inside of one.

 

[Tuskin38]

Then how did it rip the Starfleet communication station to pieces if it was just a computer virus?

Rewatch the episode. It hijacked the stations weapons and used them to blow the station up.

Why it didn't just activate the station's self destruct, idk.

 

[Timofnine]

Rewatch the episode. It hijacked the stations weapons and used them to blow the station up.

Why it didn't just activate the station's self destruct, idk.

I think that my confusion came from 21 minutes 19 seconds in to the episode Asylum where Janeway asks ‘What would cause a Federation station to tear itself apart’. It is possible that the Living Construct could be both an AI virus infecting computer systems and also a gravimetric weapon, it could be a bit like a ‘Swiss Army knife’ using a multi pronged attack both software based and physical. There is no guarantee that a Starfleet ship would even have weapons. If the Living Construct is purely a virus, then perhaps it can affect inertial dampeners and artificial gravity as well as the weapons systems, this could result in it causing damage using the effects of gravity and inertia with these systems being used against the ships physical structure.

 

[Wouter]

Rewatch the episode. It hijacked the stations weapons and used them to blow the station up.

Why it didn't just activate the station's self destruct, idk.

It did more than that. For example, it also turned the med bay treatment capsule against its occupant (Gwyn). It affected the replicators, allthough that wasn't quite as deadly. And at the end, it seemed there was some kind of core breach going on with the big explosions. The construct can effect multiple systems at once.

However, agreed that armor/shields would have no effect, unless they can stop any kind of signal from the construct.

 

[drt]

Having the bridge on Deck one is a structural weakness. As seen in "Twilight"

Yeah, the bridge at the top is a huge tactical failure. A window is not going to add or take away from that poor choice.

I think people tend to forget that the 1701-D had a skylight, so if windows are an issue, the problem started in 1987.

 

[fireproof78]

I think people tend to forget that the 1701-D had a skylight, so if windows are an issue, the problem started in 1987.

I'm a firm believer in windows. I'm less a believer of the bridge at the top. But that's a feature not a bug.

 

[Oddish]

Disappointed no Intrepids. Be cool to see Voyager with .... gasp! ... Harry Kim in command?! (as an ensign)

Even if it wasn't Voyager (which was reportedly retired because of the pounding she had taken over seven years), an Intrepid class would be welcome. Maybe with LIEUTENANT COMMANDER Kim serving as first officer. Garrett Wang's said clearly that he'd return in any capacity.

 

[Tuskin38]

I think that my confusion came from 21 minutes 19 seconds in to the episode Asylum where Janeway asks ‘What would cause a Federation station to tear itself apart’.

Yes, it tore itself apart with its weapons.

 

[drt]

I'm a firm believer in windows. I'm less a believer of the bridge at the top. But that's a feature not a bug.

It is sort of forgiveable in TOS, where the weapons were so powerful it was heavily implied (if not shown outright in "Day of the Dove"), once shields were down, the next shot would completely destroy a ship; therefore, it didn't matter where the bridge was located. This was pretty much lost from TWoK onwards, so burying the bridge would make more sense for the later shows.