Unrealized Stories From Throwaway Lines

[JonnyQuest037]

It seriously made no sense that by Y7 of Voyager's journey, the crew weren't dodging toddlers and preschoolers in the hall. There was one marriage. One. And two children born, one of them a preexisting condition and the other right at the very end.

Yes, I could see Janeway choosing the celibate life, because of the "Lessons" we learned about captains and romance. But 140 others, many of them women who were effectively giving up their chance at motherhood (yes, Voyager got home after 7 years, but they were expecting 70, and while i think Federation longevity tech has pushed menopause back a decade or two, biological clocks do run out)... it just further pushes the notion that the Voyager "family" was nine main characters and 130 or so nobodies, about as much a part of the family as the toaster on your kitchen counter.

Yeah, when you think about it, VOY really should've had at least as many recurring characters as DS9 did. We should've gotten to know a TON of people from the lower decks who popped up on a regular basis instead of just the small smattering we got. But VOY continually shied away from the repercussions of its premise.

McCoy's line about Spock's planet being conquered.

Yeah, that's a weird one. At this point I feel like it's SO incompatible with the rest of ST canon that there's no point in revisiting or explaining it. But then again, DSC has established Spock's previously unknown adopted sister and SNW has

Spoiler: Spock's family

revisited Sybok after 30+ years,

so I suppose anything is possible.

 

[Weyoun 251]

Sexual attraction in LGBT+ individuals is more connected to hormones.
Given that there are many similarities of hormonal structures between gay men and female women (and despite the fact hormones and pheromones are comparable chemicals), I suspect the gay men onboard would have been similarly immune like straight females were.

Here's a more real world description of hormones and pheromones:

Hormones and pheromones are comparable chemicals; they both cause physiological and behavioral changes by communicating information between different systems. In hormones, this communication occurs between the organs and cells of one individual. In pheromones this occurs between individuals, outside the body.

And from here:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7358-pheromone-attracts-straight-women-and-gay-men/
"Smelling a male pheromone prompts the same brain activity in homosexual men as it does in heterosexual women, a new study has found. It did not excite the sex-related region in the brains of heterosexual males, although an oestrogen-derived compound found in female urine did."


To me this is what it boils down to:
Hormones and pheromones are comparable chemicals, but they both affect individuals in different ways.
Since Orion females sexual attraction rely and predominantly works through pheromones, they wouldn't really affect gay men or straight women (because the hormonal structure in their bodies that regulates sexual attraction is different)... in essence, orion female pheromones would be 'incompatible' with how the body has been wired via hormonal structures.

As such, gay women and straight men WOULD be affected. As for trans... again, it would depend on whom they're attracted to.
If a person is bisexual, then the pheromones would work on that person irrespective of their gender.

As for asexual humans... I don't know how effective Orion female pheromones would be here because asexual people may not experience sexual attraction... but rather a romantic one.

With orion females, the pheromones mainly stimulate sexual arousal... and in asexual people, this might not work really.

Maybe you want to link to various papers and respected sources before making these huge sweeping statements.

Also, regarding your quote from The New Scientist, that is literally the first paragraph mate. Not 2 paragraphs down we then have:

"The research demonstrates a likely link between brain function and sexual orientation, Savic suggests. But she told New Scientist that the study “does not answer the cause-and-effect question”.

So the brain-activation of gay men by AND may contribute to sexual orientation of those men, or simply be the result of their orientation and sexual behaviour. She added that the brain scans revealed no anatomical differences between any of the participant’s brains."

This to me indicates a clear level of uncertainty over things and certainly not enough for you to state with such self appointed authority.

 

[Oddish]

I think that we're delving into the biological aspects of an evolving fandom, one that didn't even acknowledge the existence of same-sex attraction until a few snippets on DS9, and had no exclusively gay characters until years later. So we don't know for sure how Orion pheromones work, and we probably won't unless Stamets or Culber encounter an Orion woman and either are or are not affected.

 

[Weyoun 251]

I think that we're delving into the biological aspects of an evolving fandom, one that didn't even acknowledge the existence of same-sex attraction until a few snippets on DS9, and had no exclusively gay characters until years later. So we don't know for sure how Orion pheromones work, and we probably won't unless Stamets or Culber encounter an Orion woman and either are or are not affected.

To be fair, I have few issues with the assertions made relating to Orion pheremones as they are logical extentions of what Deks has said earlier and what his understanding of the science is; I do take issue with his statement of the science and his understanding of it.

 

[Birb-of-Prey]

The Great Bird of the Galaxy turns out to be a real thing; it's just a fusion-powered tera-phoenix that periodically runs out of hydrogen, goes supernova, and then reforms from its own nebula into a new G.B.G.

Granted, that sounds more like a Doctor Who plot than Trek....

 

[FredH]

In Deep Space Nine, it was mentioned at some point that the Founders had sent about a hundred of their kind out into the unknown, two of whom were Odo and Laas. Much later, Section 31 released a virus that started ravaging the Founders, before the cure was provided and the Dominion War ended.

But those hundred-odd other amnesiac Founders are still out there somewhere, blissfully unaware that they could run into the virus at any time!

So years ago I had an idea for a series called Search for the Hundred, about a Starfleet ship charged with seeking out those missing Founders and inoculating them! We’d have a Dominion observer on board, and be especially motivated by the early discovery of the remains of members of the “Hundred” who had already run into the virus and died. And additionally motivated by the awareness that we (I.e. the Federation, by way of S31 but still) brought this upon these innocent beings who weren’t even involved in the war.

 

[Oddish]

You could make the Dominion observer Weyoun 9 (there's really no such thing as a "last clone").

 

[Farscape One]

A throwaway piece of dialogue that implies what it would be.

Picard mentions in "The Enemy" that they have to be careful or 'history will remember Galorndon Core with Pearl Harbor or Station Salem One'.

The implication is there, but I'd like to know exactly what went down on Station Salem One.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

The curing of the Vidian Phage in Think Tank.

I want to see that story told. You just spent the last several decades murdering people to save yourself. Now you don't have to anymore. How do you move forward from that? Rationalize it as necessity? Try to share your medical advancements to atone yourself? Whitewash history? Once you stop being a threat do all the people you've been murdering move in for revenge?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

But those hundred-odd other amnesiac Founders are still out there somewhere, blissfully unaware that they could run into the virus at any time!

Can they? It seemed to me like it as mostly an LTD (Link transmitted disease).

 

[Farscape One]

The curing of the Vidian Phage in Think Tank.

I want to see that story told. You just spent the last several decades murdering people to save yourself. Now you don't have to anymore. How do you move forward from that? Rationalize it as necessity? Try to share your medical advancements to atone yourself? Whitewash history? Once you stop being a threat do all the people you've been murdering move in for revenge?

I think they were harvesting for centuries, but you are right, that's a goldmine if a story.

There is also the possibility that Kurros was lying.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I think they were harvesting for centuries, but you are right, that's a goldmine if a story.

There is also the possibility that Kurros was lying.

It seems unlikely, since even though they were lying to get Seven, they seem like they are capable of solving those kinds of problems, and smart enough to know that the best liars tell the truth 90% of the time.

 

[Farscape One]

I only question it because Vidiian space was about 45,000 light years away, and there would be no way to verify it. They could easily have tapped into Voyager's records and find a race with that kind of hard problem to make them appear even better.

 

[Oddish]

...the best liars tell the truth 90% of the time.

That's because the objective of lying is not to tell a given number of lies, it's for your lies to be accepted as true.

 

[Kor]

And what did the Vidiians have to give up to the Think Tank to get that cure?

Kor

 

[Farscape One]

Assuming that was truth, that is a very good question.

Maybe some of their harvesting technology. Or even something as simple as their art... before the phage, they were apparently known as artists and philosophers.

 

[Weyoun 251]

That's because the objective of lying is not to tell a given number of lies, it's for your lies to be accepted as true.

You are Garak, and I claim my five pounds

 

[Oddish]

You are Garak, and I claim my five pounds

Well this is aggravating... not only did that time travel accident land me on this pre-warp backwater, but now the locals are aware of my presence. My superiors at the Order are not going to like this.

 

[Mojochi]

The Grizzellas hybernate for more than 6 months? I realize that little factoid comes in handy in dealing with the Sheliak, but honestly, that has to play havoc with quite a bit of parliamentary procedure.

When Tom Riker shows up on DS9 it is mentioned in dialogue that he had,while serving on the Gandhi expressed dismay at what was happening in the DMZ.
So do Federation starships have political officers?

More over, it seems clear in general that Tom began getting disillusioned with Starfleet on the whole, while serving there

A whole lot of missed story there, & I have to think the outing of the Pegasus mutiny & coverup had to play a part in it. Will had a good record & connections to soften that blow. Tom did not, & more than likely getting dragged into that bit of legal business could very easily have sullied his career more than it already had been stymied.

Something tells me life on the Gandhi for Tom Riker got sticky

 

[Oddish]

Something tells me life on the Gandhi for Tom Riker got sticky

Maybe they didn't have chairs low enough to straddle.