a definite no: the two classes have very different mission profiles with very little overlap.
Interesting theory.
The Californias are not supposed to get into serious combat, they usually stay behind and deal with relatively safe situations.
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Depends on what the Breen wanted from them. Though it looked pretty run down and I wouldn't be surprised if their civilization had collapsed from economic catastrophe. The Breen may simply be going after easy pickings compared to the (mostly) recovered Onanarians.
But yes, three Texas-class.
Peanut Hamper, Agrimus, and Badgey?
Are they also the automated ships that destroyed Mars?
And it’s interesting how they support what was one of Picard’s most questionable decisions. Still, 12 years of chaos are no little thing.
Very true, I even wondered if it was Prometheus class initially.
Which we already knew from Picard.
It’s all replicated anyway, no waste at all.
Well, we don’t really know how powerful those breen ships were, though.
The Cerritos is no combat ship, in any case.
I wonder what their mission truly was.
Honestly, I think they gave about as nasty a condemnation as they could possibly give without overtly criticizing it.
It's clear the locals want NOTHING to do with the Federation and rightly so.
The politeness of their dismissal is honestly more biting than abject anger.
"Yeah, we're a peaceful prosperous society....get the hell out."
Memory-Alpha is going off dialogue from previous episodes, while the creator of the show says other wise.
When they said they detected no life signs, I thought it was going to be crewed by holograms.
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They did the same thing at the end of Season 2, then it went back to being comedic this season.OK, this episode feels like LDS is going in a whole new direction.
More toward its Dramatic aspects rather than its Comedic ones.
I'm not sure if I am happy with that, but I gave it a 9 just because it was well done.
I liked the fact that the show has been so irreverent.
Not looking forward to it becoming a more main stream Trek show.
I don't think you have anything to worry about.
I didn’t see the Symbiosis decision as that questionable. It was the least bad legal decision they could have made. Freed a planet from slavery without technically breaking the law.
A new broom sweeps Breen clean.
Did the Breen vaporize a child?!
I can't stop laughing whenever Freeman blows her top.
Also enjoyed the callbacks to Kayshon turning into a puppet, and the Doopler party crash.
Did the Breen vaporize a child?!
I can't stop laughing whenever Freeman blows her top.
Also enjoyed the callbacks to Kayshon turning into a puppet, and the Doopler party crash.
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A strong episode setting up the finale nicely. Well done.
The show is really finding its balance when it comes into diving into the Star Trek sandbox and creating a mythology of its own.
Kinda want to see Starbase 80 in live action.
The show is really finding its balance when it comes into diving into the Star Trek sandbox and creating a mythology of its own.
Kinda want to see Starbase 80 in live action.
naaaa
no.
Yes, but it’s one of those situations where the prime directive sucks. They recovered, but they went trough 12 years of hell, hell that was possibly evitabile. And don’t forget the other planet, whose only source of income vanished, probably leading to economic collapse.
They sure are ruthless.
They state that Picard cut off communication between Ornara and Brekka, but that’s not what Picard actually did. He just didn’t give the Ornarans the warp coils they asked for, which would have been a violation of the Prime Directive anyway (which makes one wonder why he offered them in the first place.) This episode makes it sound like Picard did something wrong when he didn’t. And as far as checking up on the planets? They weren’t Federation members, so why would he or any other Starfleet captain have done so?
I love that Starbase 80 is so backwards that the commbadges are still from 2370 or even earlier. 
since they were two spacefaring civilisation it’s questionable that the prime directive applies. But yes, giving them a coil would only have postponed the issue for a few years at maximum, it was either getting fully involved or getting out completely.
Well, this was that rarest of animals: a Lower Decks I did not like! I possibly found it the... worst episode of the series? (Of course, there's very little competition for that crown, given how regularly exceptional LD is)
It just felt like such a regression, character-wise. Aside from Mariner, everyone else was so rewound-to-season-one, I did wonder if it was a temporal anomaly plot for a minute. It really feels like Freeman had moved past caring about appearances in this way, so I couldn't even get on board with the basic drive of the story.
And that extended into the construction as well, which I found unusually awkward. The "Symbiosis" backstory was such an unwieldy info dump, when usually LD manages that stuff so elegantly. Priority number one is keeping the reporter away from Mariner... so the first place Freeman brings her is directly to Mariner's bunk. And so on... pretty much every scene there was something where I was saying "this doesn't feel right."
I wonder if they'll flip me around in the finale. That's happened before. They could maybe wrap this up in a way where this episode is retroactively elevated for me.
I do like how slickly LD set up their Badmiral. I wasn't at all suspicious of Buenamigo till this... and now it seems pretty obvious. I mean, the name alone!
It just felt like such a regression, character-wise. Aside from Mariner, everyone else was so rewound-to-season-one, I did wonder if it was a temporal anomaly plot for a minute. It really feels like Freeman had moved past caring about appearances in this way, so I couldn't even get on board with the basic drive of the story.
And that extended into the construction as well, which I found unusually awkward. The "Symbiosis" backstory was such an unwieldy info dump, when usually LD manages that stuff so elegantly. Priority number one is keeping the reporter away from Mariner... so the first place Freeman brings her is directly to Mariner's bunk. And so on... pretty much every scene there was something where I was saying "this doesn't feel right."
I wonder if they'll flip me around in the finale. That's happened before. They could maybe wrap this up in a way where this episode is retroactively elevated for me.
The robot ships do seem like the perfect allies for Peanut Hamper and AGIMUS...
I do like how slickly LD set up their Badmiral. I wasn't at all suspicious of Buenamigo till this... and now it seems pretty obvious. I mean, the name alone!
Well, I wouldn't want LDs to lose its humor, but I can see the show become more dramatic, especially since the news that the Mariner and Boimler characters WILL have live-action interpretations in SNW. I also don't mind the "membeberries" aspect of the show either, considering the point mission parameters of the California-class (i.e. "second contact missions"), if they are done well.
If ya spread the nacelles out further on the older ship, the two of them could be cousins.
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I enjoyed this episode a great deal.
But Freeman... boy did she screw things up. And I figured Beckett was gonna end up with the archologist somehow. Can't wait to see how things get resolved in the season finale.
On a side note: I don't care for this episode absolving Picard's action on Onaras. What he did was cruel just so that he could uphold his sacrosanct view of the Prime Directive. He left that entire planet to go through a severe withdrawal without medical aide. And withdrawl is the most dangerous aspect of coming off a substance, particularly opioids and alcohol.
This episode glosses over all that, saying they went through some "dark period". As a substance abuse survivor, I didn't appreciate this aspect of the episode. And while I like "Symbosis," as it's an indictment on Big Pharma in hindsight, I still side with Beverly. Picard's non-solution was inhumane.
But Freeman... boy did she screw things up. And I figured Beckett was gonna end up with the archologist somehow. Can't wait to see how things get resolved in the season finale.
On a side note: I don't care for this episode absolving Picard's action on Onaras. What he did was cruel just so that he could uphold his sacrosanct view of the Prime Directive. He left that entire planet to go through a severe withdrawal without medical aide. And withdrawl is the most dangerous aspect of coming off a substance, particularly opioids and alcohol.
This episode glosses over all that, saying they went through some "dark period". As a substance abuse survivor, I didn't appreciate this aspect of the episode. And while I like "Symbosis," as it's an indictment on Big Pharma in hindsight, I still side with Beverly. Picard's non-solution was inhumane.
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This was a great episode! It turns out that Beckett has grown over the series while her mother hasn't, and it comes to bite her mother in the ass in the end. We'll see how or if it all resolves next episode, but it was well done, IMO. The only thing that hurts is that Mariner and Jennifer broke up. They were cute together.
Hm I disagree completely.
Not a counter-argument per se, but I noted that the Onarans were very passive-aggressive towards Starfleet. And, it seems like they traded one form of addiction for another. I think the subtext from the Onaran's interaction with the visiting Starfleet actually mirrors your criticism this part of the episode.
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