Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x10 - "A Quality of Mercy"

[fireproof78]

Airam I don't think has been mentioned again in Discovery.
As for Hammer we will see what they do but SNW will likely follow the pattern of Discovery not TNG.

Which is funny because that is closer to why Gene wanted Tasha to die in the first place-people die in space. It's dangerous. In another episode Gene is noted as saying "This doesn't work. In the future people don't mourn. Death is accepted as a part of life."

See,I don't care if Ariam's, Hemmer's, Data's or whomever death isn't mentioned again. Do I feel it in that moment? And the answer is yes for many. Same thing with Tomlinson, Sonak, Terrell, David, Carey, among several others. This isn't a copetition of whose death is better but how an audience member feels in the moment. The fact that in order to feel bad about SNW we sit here and hyperanalyze it makes zero sense. This has created a competition about death! WTF?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Is there any particular reason why, in this episode, Tomlinson and Martine weren't identified by name in the credits?

I mean, it's obvious it was them, but they're only called "Groom" and "Bride." What's up with that?

Also: Pity we didn't see the Centurion...

 

[jackoverfull]

Is there any particular reason why, in this episode, Tomlinson and Martine weren't identified by name in the credits?

I mean, it's obvious it was them, but they're only called "Groom" and "Bride." What's up with that?

good question. Perhaps naming them would involve paying residuals to the original writers?

 

[Mudd]

They were less important characters in this version, with no reason for the other characters to refer to them.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

good question. Perhaps naming them would involve paying residuals to the original writers?

Didn't keep them from using Commander Hansen...

 

[Donald G]

Didn't keep them from using Commander Hansen...

They did, however, slightly rename him: Hansen al-Salah instead of plain just Hansen.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

They did, however, slightly rename him: Hansen al-Salah instead of plain just Hansen.

I doubt that makes a difference.

I mean, does the writer of "Amok Time" get paid because T'Pring has turned up so often on SNW? No? Then probably not here, either.

As for Hansen, I just assumed they futzed with that character to add cultural (and possibly religious) diversity to the mix.

 

[jackoverfull]

Didn't keep them from using Commander Hansen...

This doesn’t mean much: they might have made a conscious budget choice.

I mean, does the writer of "Amok Time" get paid because T'Pring has turned up so often on SNW? No? Then probably not here, either

different episodes may have different arrangements. In any case it was just a guess, not necessarily what’s actually going on.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

And based on the aforementioned credits, it looks like Chief Kyle didn't get his officer's commission in this timeline.

So while Pike's survival also apparently saved Sam Kirk's life, it cost Kyle his lieutenant's stripe.

Also, Memory Alpha assumes that the Subcommander who alerts the Romulan fleet is in fact Decius. Kind of a leap in logic there, but I guess it COULD work...so apparently whatever caused the Romulans to have a different Praetor (female, instead of the male Praetor mentioned in BoT) also jumpstarted Decius' career as well.

 

[Donald G]

I doubt that makes a difference.

I mean, does the writer of "Amok Time" get paid because T'Pring has turned up so often on SNW? No? Then probably not here, either.

And I never argued that they renamed him to avoid paying the original writer residuals. I don't think the issue of continued recompense for incidental characters was as much of an issue in the sixties as it later became, but I could be wrong about that. Opining on Writer's Guild rules, contracts, and studio accounting is way beyond my nonexistent paygrade, so I tend not to do it.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Yet another thing that MAlpha appears to assume is that, in the original timeline, Sam Kirk left Starfleet precisely because Jim took over command of the Enterprise. I'm not aware of anything in TOS that established this...

I mean, it's entirely possible that this is why Sam retired from the fleet, but unlikely. Sam and Jim appear to have a close relationship, so I don't see why Sam would have left the Enterprise just because Jim became captain. On the contrary, I'd think they'd welcome the opportunity to serve together.

 

[jackoverfull]

Yet another thing that MAlpha appears to assume is that, in the original timeline, Sam Kirk left Starfleet precisely because Jim took over command of the Enterprise. I'm not aware of anything in TOS that established this...

in fact in the original timeline it’s not even clear he left: he could have been posted to Deneva or even on leave there.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

in fact in the original timeline it’s not even clear he left: he could have been posted to Deneva or even on leave there.

I don't think so. Not only was Sam not in uniform when he died, but there were no other Starfleet personnel in evidence. If Deneva was a Starfleet outpost, we would have seen more evidence to that effect.

Also, I could have sworn that when Pike is viewing Jim's personnel file at the end of the ep, "Starfleet Academy" is listed as one of Jim's prior assignments. Looks like he really did get the chance to be the "stack of books with legs" Academy instructor after all!

And apparently at this point in the prime timeline, Jim is still serving aboard the Farragut. Has the disaster (mentioned in "Obsession") already happened? It has, hasn't it?

 

[jackoverfull]

What I meant is that while in TOS the obvious intention was for Sam not being in Starfleet if they now decide he was still in Starfleet all along there is no problem at all.

 

[Noname Given]

...Also, Memory Alpha assumes that the Subcommander who alerts the Romulan fleet is in fact Decius. Kind of a leap in logic there, but I guess it COULD work...so apparently whatever caused the Romulans to have a different Praetor (female, instead of the male Praetor mentioned in BoT) also jumpstarted Decius' career as well.

Actually I think it's implied that the older Centurion who was second in command in the original Balance of Terror was the father of the Centurion serving aboard the Warbird as the Commander's second in this altered timeline.

In this episode the Commander even says that he knew him well, and that while yes, he died honorably in service to the Empire; the Commander felt his death was unnecessary, and a waste of a valuable person and soldier.
^^^
So no I don't think the second in command of the Romulan ship was Decius.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Actually it was the Subcommander's uncle, not father. Tarqan

in any case I doubt that Tarqan was supposed to be the Centurion from TOS. I got the impression that Tarqan's death preceded the timeline divergence.

Edit: I'm still trying to find out if Megha Sandhu (Angela Martine) is related to Gia Sandhu (T'Pring). Both are from Canada, though I haven't found any evidence they're related...

 

[Tuskin38]

Edit: I'm still trying to find out if Megha Sandhu (Angela Martine) is related to Gia Sandhu (T'Pring). Both are from Canada, though I haven't found any evidence they're related...

I think if they were one of them would have mentioned it on Social Media, actors usually do that. Unless they had a falling out or something.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I think if they were one of them would have mentioned it on Social Media, actors usually do that.

maybe they're just not ON social media?

 

[fireproof78]

Is there any particular reason why, in this episode, Tomlinson and Martine weren't identified by name in the credits?

Irrelevant to the story.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Irrelevant to the story.

Well, they were having all those obvious callbacks to BoT, this was just another one of those. So I really don't see any reason NOT to identify them...

on a completely unrelated matter, what the fresh hell was Admiral Pike's monster maroons made out of? It looked like a raincoat dipped in nuclear waste.