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Spoilers The Orville: New Horizons Season 3 Discussion

Interesting article I just came across on reddit.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/07/31/well-everyone-was-right-about-the-orville

My only slight disagreement with the author is that SNW, while certainly being influenced by it, is at about the same level as The Orville in terms of overall quality, especially considering it was season 1.

Everything else is pretty spot on IMO.
SNW is definitely on the same level and being actual Star Trek kinda makes it more of a must watch for me.

But SNW has definitely also taken major influence from Orville
 
I hope that if the show gets a fourth season, we get more space exploration. I understand, and agree completely with, the decision to get as as many of the dangling plot threads tied up as they can in the 10 episodes they were given, but with that largely being done, I would love to see more good old-fashioned exploration.

Not that I would want all the political plot threads to lay fallow, but they could let the season breathe a little more.

I am tempted to disagree. The show was building up numerous plot threads/ideas. Going too fast to resolve them might not look good, and wouldn't it be better to focus on finishing one while letting others simmer? Too fast on all of them and all of them end up being less compelling as a result. Season 2 was already bordering on this with the Kaylon and Moclan threads, and the Kaylon were quickly dropped and all was back to status quo again as if nothing happened... until season 3, where it now feels a tad out of place to revisit to the extent that they had. Some threads left hanging would be better than a half-baked ending, as I'm now just reminding myself of Alfred Bester for some reason... would have been better to have left the Psi Corps hanging instead of closing the chapter as weakly as they had.

The last I'd heard, actors are currently doing their work for contracts for other projects and the original contract for the cast ended a few months ago. If "Orville" is renewed, it'll be - what - 2 or 3 years? Maybe it's for the best they rush to close all the strands, since the counterpoint is that the rough edges are filled in, even if it's not perfect. But 13 episodes in regular format, or 10 with each episode getting longer runtime to ensure plenty of drawn out action scenes for the sake of having longer action scenes, that's a very long wait... how do they turn things around if they've closed up all the plot avenues they started sooner? (I'm still amazed that the Kaylon revelation was originally intended to be at the end of season 1 - waiting to mid-season 2 was definitely the right thing to do...)
 
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I am tempted to disagree. The show was building up numerous plot threads/ideas. Going too fast to resolve them might not look good, and wouldn't it be better to focus on finishing one while letting others simmer? Too fast on all of them and all of them end up being less compelling as a result. Season 2 was already bordering on this with the Kaylon and Moclan threads, and the Kaylon were quickly dropped and all was back to status quo again as if nothing happened... until season 3, where it now feels a tad out of place to revisit to the extent that they had. Some threads left hanging would be better than a half-baked ending, as I'm now just reminding myself of Alfred Bester for some reason... would have been better to have left the Psi Corps hanging instead of closing the chapter as weakly as they had.

The last I'd heard, actors are currently doing their work for contracts for other projects and the original contract for the cast ended a few months ago. If "Orville" is renewed, it'll be - what - 2 or 3 years? Maybe it's for the best they rush to close all the strands, since the counterpoint is that the rough edges are filled in, even if it's not perfect. But 13 episodes in regular format, or 10 with each episode getting longer runtime to ensure plenty of drawn out action scenes for the sake of having longer action scenes, that's a very long wait... how do they turn things around if they've closed up all the plot avenues they started sooner? (I'm still amazed that the Kaylon revelation was originally intended to be at the end of season 1 - waiting to mid-season 2 was definitely the right thing to do...)

Someone already said that it's 50/50 if the sets have been destroyed, and if its 3 years until we can get the band back together... May I suggest "The Orville: The Animated Series"?
 
Watched the preview

it certainly looks (imo) like they are setting up a wedding. Issac and Claire maybe? I also kinda got the hint of a promotion for Kelly. But mostly it does look like something that could serve as a series or season finale.
 
Malloy piloted a Krill fighter in the first battle against the Kaylon, he test piloted this new fighter and flew it to the Orville personally, in the past on Earth he became a commercial pilot, Charlie had kind of taken over the role this season, but he was almost always chosen for difficult shuttle piloting missions, etc. So it's perfectly on-brand for him to pilot a fighter in the battle.

Lamarr is the one where piloting a fighter is a little unusual. Not that he can't do it, but just since he's the Chief Engineer now and has a penchant for out of the box thinking that saves the day at the last minute, you'd think you'd want him aboard the ship and not in a tiny vulnerable (but fortunately protected by main character shields) fighter.

I guess they just had nothing written for engineering to do this episode and Charlie was the designated sacrifice and developer of the device even though that would normally be something Lamarr would be all over, so they had to find an alternative place for him to be this time.

I commented in an earlier episode where the Admiral went on an away mission to a derelict unknown space station that was in a section of space the Orville was already WARNED was dangerous seemed like a pretty stupid idea.

This show or Union Protocol really allows for a lot of questionable allocation of key members of the crew.

Like why would you have your CHIEF ENGINEER in a massively important battle be flying a friggin space fighter and not on the ship?

The Malloy thing I can sorta get because he test piloted the fighter, but they already dispatched their other main pilot (Charlie) on the away mission. So you dispatched your two best starship pilots, plus your chief engineer off the ship during this massive battle?
 
This show or Union Protocol really allows for a lot of questionable allocation of key members of the crew.

Like why would you have your CHIEF ENGINEER in a massively important battle be flying a friggin space fighter and not on the ship?

The Malloy thing I can sorta get because he test piloted the fighter, but they already dispatched their other main pilot (Charlie) on the away mission. So you dispatched your two best starship pilots, plus your chief engineer off the ship during this massive battle?
TV shows always have their main casts in these sort of questionable or even implausible situations mostly because the actors have a screentime quota they need to meet.
 
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Busy few days, only managed to see this last episode. Very Star Warsay, with all the fighter sequences and the assault on the superwapon base, even the music. The union sure took a lot of risks here, but I like the resolution.
Only thing I hate is that once again a pivotal piece of technology only exist in a single copy: there is literally no reason they couldn’t just build another weapon after the prototype was stolen.

On a personal note, just this morning I sadly attended the funeral of the father of a friend, seeing this episode on the same day only underlines how different things are in fiction. Real funerals are hardly this neat.
 
there is literally no reason they couldn’t just build another weapon after the prototype was stolen.

time. equipment, knowledge (after all only Charley and Issac knew what made it tick and they were busy trying to stop the stolen one being used), component available, security, lack of time, a desire by the Planetary Union for them not to proliferate.

so literally lots of reasons why they couldn't :p
 
TV shows always have their main casts in these sort of questionable or even implausible situations mostly because the actors have a screentime quote they need to meet.

yeah, it’s like TNG. The away team consisting of the First Officer, 2nd Officer, Chief of Security, Chief Engineer and Chief Medical Officer all sent over to the ship with a potentially deadly virus, or the one about to explode, etc…

Picard would have been stuck with Troi, Ro and Chief O’Brien if anything bad happened.
 
TV shows always have their main casts in these sort of questionable or even implausible situations mostly because the actors have a screentime quota they need to meet.
I figured streaming would be different, hence still not knowing much about the Discovery bridge crew 5 years later, or Elnor being essentially iced in Picard season 2.
 
I commented in an earlier episode where the Admiral went on an away mission to a derelict unknown space station that was in a section of space the Orville was already WARNED was dangerous seemed like a pretty stupid idea.

This show or Union Protocol really allows for a lot of questionable allocation of key members of the crew.

Like why would you have your CHIEF ENGINEER in a massively important battle be flying a friggin space fighter and not on the ship?

The Malloy thing I can sorta get because he test piloted the fighter, but they already dispatched their other main pilot (Charlie) on the away mission. So you dispatched your two best starship pilots, plus your chief engineer off the ship during this massive battle?

You must be new to SF shows ( or any show that involves military personnel)? ;)

In reality the captain ( and his command crew) of a military vessel never takes part in an infantry special operation, they have special troops who are trained exactly for this ( Navy Seals, Marines and Army Special Forces).

Unless specifically designed like it from the cast/character makeup of the show ( The Last Ship comes to mind) nobody wants to see a no named Lieutenant lead a squad of no named troopers on an important mission because we want to see the main characters of the show in action.

As we have no investment to no name redshirts this is what we get - it's not realistic and you have to accept the trope.
 
You must be new to SF shows ( or any show that involves military personnel)? ;)

In reality the captain ( and his command crew) of a military vessel never takes part in an infantry special operation, they have special troops who are trained exactly for this ( Navy Seals, Marines and Army Special Forces).

Unless specifically designed like it from the cast/character makeup of the show ( The Last Ship comes to mind) nobody wants to see a no named Lieutenant lead a squad of no named troopers on an important mission because we want to see the main characters of the show in action.

As we have no investment to no name redshirts this is what we get - it's not realistic and you have to accept the trope.

You can always just say Starfleet regulations are much different than modern military regulations. Not that Starfleet is a military...
 
It does look like it will come down to whether or not Disney wants to invest in this show. It is very expensive to produce. That can be the deciding factor.

Just spitballing here, but how about they transition to three 90 minute episodes/movies per season? They're already doing close to movie length episodes this season anyway. And the three 90-minute format has been widely used in Britain (ex. Sherlock) and I think with a show that's so expensive like the Orville, this may actually check all the boxes. It will allow the cast to have more opportunity with other projects. It will enable them to put more eggs in the basket in terms of production value but keep the budget at a reasonable cumulative cost. They can produce them as Disney plus exclusive "event" movies.
 
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