Spoilers The Orville: New Horizons Season 3 Discussion
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Well, that was very Star Warsy. "Beggar's Canyon", fighter pilot banter, planet sized death machine and a Rogue One sacrifice.
Not sure why Lamar and Malloy were fighter pilot since we they are seniors officers with jobs on the ship, But hey, they're main characters, right? I think they went "Maverick" before, though. Third pilot had "red shirt" stamped on his forehead from go.
Not moved as much by Charlie's sacrifice as the writers probably wanted me to be. She was kind of unlikeable for most of the season and her arc from hater to savior seemed a bit forced.
I wonder if Hu and Danson had to draw straws to see who would be the "traitor". Both were pretty much interchangeable. I don't recall any hints that either would go down the path Danson's character did.
Not sure why Lamar and Malloy were fighter pilot since we they are seniors officers with jobs on the ship, But hey, they're main characters, right? I think they went "Maverick" before, though. Third pilot had "red shirt" stamped on his forehead from go.
Not moved as much by Charlie's sacrifice as the writers probably wanted me to be. She was kind of unlikeable for most of the season and her arc from hater to savior seemed a bit forced.
I wonder if Hu and Danson had to draw straws to see who would be the "traitor". Both were pretty much interchangeable. I don't recall any hints that either would go down the path Danson's character did.
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Danson probably costs more.
So Trek has been getting heavy criticism since 2009 for being too pew pew ‘Star Wars-y’ and then the Orville goes full Star Wars (sometimes even shot for shot) and it’s the greatest sci fi episode ever made…..? Wow… if someone ever asks me to explain what hypocrisy is, this will be my example. Loved the episode btw.
That would be a good ending to the season or series, whichever way they go. After Jack O'Neill got promoted to Lt. General, we still saw quite a bit of him, just not every week.
People love to throw around the word "hypocrisy" with reckless abandon where it doesn't actually apply.
- Are people in general actually saying this was "the greatest scifi episode ever made" or is that hyperbole or something just said by a couple of people? I enjoyed the episode a great deal, but I don't think it was the greatest scifi episode of all time" by any means.
- Are the people making that claim the same ones who condemned Trek for being too "pew pew"? Because if it's not the same people, it's not hypocrisy.
- There's a pretty big difference between a single episode or scattered episodes going "pew pew" and that being the dominant feature of an entire season or series.
- Attitudes shift over time and what someone said several years ago may not line up perfectly with what they say now, or they may have forgotten what they said years ago.
- When talking about a different show written and directed by different people with different broadcasters / streaming services and different production companies, accusations of hypocrisy have little bearing.
- One franchise has an established history going back almost six decades with twelve series and thirteen films, while this show started five years ago, has only had three seasons, and is the singular show in the franchise. Pretty big difference, and not much of a history in the latter example to say that you are contradicting the overall tone (not that I agree with that criticism about Trek anyway, but just saying).
Why not just be happy that people are enjoying this episode of the Orville and the series in general without putting a negative pall over the whole thing by implying that their enjoyment and praise constitutes some form of hypocrisy, which it does not?
Malloy piloted a Krill fighter in the first battle against the Kaylon, he test piloted this new fighter and flew it to the Orville personally, in the past on Earth he became a commercial pilot, Charlie had kind of taken over the role this season, but he was almost always chosen for difficult shuttle piloting missions, etc. So it's perfectly on-brand for him to pilot a fighter in the battle.
Lamarr is the one where piloting a fighter is a little unusual. Not that he can't do it, but just since he's the Chief Engineer now and has a penchant for out of the box thinking that saves the day at the last minute, you'd think you'd want him aboard the ship and not in a tiny vulnerable (but fortunately protected by main character shields) fighter.
I guess they just had nothing written for engineering to do this episode and Charlie was the designated sacrifice and developer of the device even though that would normally be something Lamarr would be all over, so they had to find an alternative place for him to be this time.
Between the two it's obvious Danson was the only choice they could make. [JOKE]After all, in today's Woke Liberal Hollywood, of course the white man is going to turn out to be a traitor and killed accordingly.[/JOKE]
Another great episode.
The deaths of both Chaley and Admr. Perry were a big surprise. Perry's betrayal did kind of come out of nowhere, but we never really went that deep on the character, so it didn't necessarily feel like it went against anything.
Charley sacrificing herself to save the Kaylons was a nice way to finish off her arc. Does anybody know if this was always the plan for the character? Was she always supposed to die at the end of the season, or did they decide to get rid of her after the season started for some reason?
I liked the way they tied things up with the Kaylon conflict, although having them go from being at war against them to joining the Union did seem a bit fast.
The Moclans joining forces with the Krill was a surprise.
The deaths of both Chaley and Admr. Perry were a big surprise. Perry's betrayal did kind of come out of nowhere, but we never really went that deep on the character, so it didn't necessarily feel like it went against anything.
Charley sacrificing herself to save the Kaylons was a nice way to finish off her arc. Does anybody know if this was always the plan for the character? Was she always supposed to die at the end of the season, or did they decide to get rid of her after the season started for some reason?
I liked the way they tied things up with the Kaylon conflict, although having them go from being at war against them to joining the Union did seem a bit fast.
The Moclans joining forces with the Krill was a surprise.
All the Kaylons had to do was go off line for a few seconds.
Or change the frequency of their great link.
Or add a pass word to log in to the great link.
Or super ironically use the original Kaylon punishment soul whip to turn themselves off.
Thinking four dimensionally.
Khan couldn't think 3 dimensionally, even though he was quite clever.
Fry learnt how to think 4th dimensionally when he started shooting the alien invaders from Omicron Persis 8 where they were going to be, instead of where they were.
Thinking 4th dimensionally was beyond Marty McFly since he thought the train was going to fall into Clayton Ravine even after they got back to the future, or that Clayton Ravine would still be called Clayton ravine if Clara lived... I suspect that the name of the Ravine was something like "What the heck happened to the train man, I mean like where the hell is it?" Ravine.
Was Charlie wearing that goth eye liner because she was sad about her dead girlfriend? Obsessing about the past is thinking negative 4th dimensionally?
Or change the frequency of their great link.
Or add a pass word to log in to the great link.
Or super ironically use the original Kaylon punishment soul whip to turn themselves off.
Thinking four dimensionally.
Khan couldn't think 3 dimensionally, even though he was quite clever.
Fry learnt how to think 4th dimensionally when he started shooting the alien invaders from Omicron Persis 8 where they were going to be, instead of where they were.
Thinking 4th dimensionally was beyond Marty McFly since he thought the train was going to fall into Clayton Ravine even after they got back to the future, or that Clayton Ravine would still be called Clayton ravine if Clara lived... I suspect that the name of the Ravine was something like "What the heck happened to the train man, I mean like where the hell is it?" Ravine.
Was Charlie wearing that goth eye liner because she was sad about her dead girlfriend? Obsessing about the past is thinking negative 4th dimensionally?
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I figured the Kaylons could figure it out eventually if they were able to reverse engineer the weapon but they were unable to immediately grasp the source of their weakness.
Khan not being able to think three dimensionally was almost breaking the fourth wall with Trek. It's the viewer that doesn't think three dimensionally because the screen is flat and the ships in Trek always meet each other head on and right side up. Of course, Khan should understand it as any space traveller would.
Khan not being able to think three dimensionally was almost breaking the fourth wall with Trek. It's the viewer that doesn't think three dimensionally because the screen is flat and the ships in Trek always meet each other head on and right side up. Of course, Khan should understand it as any space traveller would.
My money would be on Patrick Stewart. They are friends and Stewart of course has his role on American Dad.
Pew Pew is good if it also has lots of heart and character development as well. As for the Trek movies I loved them.
Don't forget the copy and paste fleet!
Lazy production in Picard S1...
On the episode itself I've declared many things lately to be the best ever (see Picard and Qs hug, trailers for S3 of LDS and Pic, LDS/SNW crossover, Pike's hair, the inability of both La'an and Ortega's actors to age) so maybe me saying this isn't worth it as much as some but goddammit was that not film worthy and if this is how we go out with The Orville then they have knocked season 3 out the park (watch them TATV the final ep of the season just to piss everyone off).
The visuals, the character interplay, the concluding arc for Charley and the Kaylon.
Epic
That was intentional (my own opinion). The objectives, the angles, the dialogue were all lifted from A New Hope.
My Mind went to the Dominion War.
And ROTJ.
I am more forgiving of The Orville for the copy and paste fleet because the show has always taken a simple approach to ship design. The different races seem to go with one basic design for their entire fleets with minor differences. So seeing a lot of ships that all look the same, is not too grating. Star Trek has given us a lot more variety in ship designs so seeing a copy and paste fleet is much more noticeable.
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