Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x10 - "A Quality of Mercy"
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Yes, having phasers offline influenced TOS-Kirk but he also was probably factoring in whether he could tank the plasma bolt hit... Without phasers the Enterprise is unable to take the Romulan out before they could fire their plasma bolt. His best choice was to warp away.
But let's look at SNW-Kirk. He knows he is both at a disadvantage *and* the Enterprise is not in a position to cover or help. And instead of working with Pike and listening to Pike's message to "Get out of there!" he decides to attack on his own. His attack also wasted precious time to knock out the Romulan before it could fire the plasma torpedo by doing a loop. For whatever reason the Farragut never fires any aft weapons or even dorsal weapons (during the loop.) And they missed most of their shots giving the Romulan an easy free kill.
KIRK: Something isn't right.
SPOCK: The captain is correct. We should be seeing them by now.
KIRK: Enterprise, I don't like this.
SPOCK: Reading gravitational signature again. It's behind the Farragut.
PIKE: Kirk! Get out of there! Red Alert!
KIRK: Red Alert!
PIKE: Erica close that distance as fast as you can.
KIRK: Attack pattern Tiberius 4.
I'm going to disagree with you on this part. SNW-Kirk is fully to blame for the loss. If you were to change the scenario to like a PVP match this is where one of the players doesn't listen and charges in to get downed and the teammate gets wounded going in to save that player and they end up losing the match. All IMHO.
But, but but .... He's NOT the Gung-Ho, Rules-Be-Damned Kirk we all know and LUV!
He's too scrawny and his eyes aren't the correct color and, and , and his hair isn't a rug!!
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Oh, the humanity!
That's why I had the smiley face.Heh ... Try again ....
March 22nd, 2233.
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And Pine was an even more over-the-top caricature of TOS Kirk and was even more brazen about skirting the rules and regulations. In some ways Pine was the most Kirk of all three Kirks.
Pine Kirk had the advantage of the movie really driving home that the events of his life had made him a different person. There was really no ambiguity there.
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I still love the scene during the Kobayashi Maru where he's holding his apple and making the finger guns as they fire torpedoes. lol
For reasons that I feel are quite obvious. Wesley Kirk is different but that's experience and age, plus alternate reality shenanigans.
Pike's a great commanding officer and human being but his style of diplomacy wasn't the right road to take. But in this timeline Kirk's wasn't, neither. Both really torpedoed chances to keep the Federation out of a new war(no pun intended).
Did he though? I don't recall seeing him on the bridge with the rest of the bridge crew when the Romulan Commander called over to the Enterprise to tell Pike that in a different reality they could be friends.
He was escorted off the bridge and sent to the brig for sending the message to the fleet
Doh! You're correct. I forgot about that.
Rewatched it to see if I got a better impression of it the 2nd time around. First time I gave it a 7. On the rewatch, well, I'd say it's a strong 7, but still a 7. I have a few new observations.
I will say, Paul Wesley didn't seem any better on the rewatch. It seemed even worse. I hope he plays only a small role in season 2.
Geez, it seems like Hansen has been living for at least 12 years on that asteroid!! Sounds like he lived there for 5 years by the time Pike first visits, and he's there 7 years later during the time jump! Someone higher up didn't like him!
Pike's decision making also seemed even worse during my rewatch. One thing I didn't notice the first time around is that he starts out skeptical about the Romulans being a threat. He scoffs at Batel's idea the Romulans have been developing a super weapon and responsible for some stuff in the region. Pike doesn't believe her even after she says that they are responsible for some things. You end up think that he's kind skeptical about the need for the outposts.
So Pike is going into this story dubious that the Romulans are a threat. Then in the briefing room meeting, he's got Ortegas, Kirk, and Spock urging him to attack and destroy. What gets me is that he doesn't trust Spock of all people.
Pike hesitates and the Enterprise gets hammered, which forces him to take his big gamble. During his big gamble, he's not the one to come up with a backup plan. He's just going to wait and see what they do.
Here's a key difference between Pike and Kirk. Kirk says he doesn't know whether he can trust them, but he doesn't know that he can't trust them. So, he's open to both possibilities and he develops the backup plan in case Pike's gamble doesn't pay off. That ultimately saves the Enterprise.
That's very different than Pike who starts out scoffing about the Romulans seeming like a threat and then places a lot of trust in them even after the sneak attacks on four outposts. And makes no plans for in case they aren't trustworthy.
It's dubious decision making.
It was the scene with Spock at the end that bumped it up a little bit for me on the rewatch. That hit me a bit more the 2nd time around. Yes, it's entirely clear why Spock risks his career for Pike during Menagerie.
I will say, Paul Wesley didn't seem any better on the rewatch. It seemed even worse. I hope he plays only a small role in season 2.
Geez, it seems like Hansen has been living for at least 12 years on that asteroid!! Sounds like he lived there for 5 years by the time Pike first visits, and he's there 7 years later during the time jump! Someone higher up didn't like him!
Pike's decision making also seemed even worse during my rewatch. One thing I didn't notice the first time around is that he starts out skeptical about the Romulans being a threat. He scoffs at Batel's idea the Romulans have been developing a super weapon and responsible for some stuff in the region. Pike doesn't believe her even after she says that they are responsible for some things. You end up think that he's kind skeptical about the need for the outposts.
So Pike is going into this story dubious that the Romulans are a threat. Then in the briefing room meeting, he's got Ortegas, Kirk, and Spock urging him to attack and destroy. What gets me is that he doesn't trust Spock of all people.
Pike hesitates and the Enterprise gets hammered, which forces him to take his big gamble. During his big gamble, he's not the one to come up with a backup plan. He's just going to wait and see what they do.
Here's a key difference between Pike and Kirk. Kirk says he doesn't know whether he can trust them, but he doesn't know that he can't trust them. So, he's open to both possibilities and he develops the backup plan in case Pike's gamble doesn't pay off. That ultimately saves the Enterprise.
That's very different than Pike who starts out scoffing about the Romulans seeming like a threat and then places a lot of trust in them even after the sneak attacks on four outposts. And makes no plans for in case they aren't trustworthy.
It's dubious decision making.
It was the scene with Spock at the end that bumped it up a little bit for me on the rewatch. That hit me a bit more the 2nd time around. Yes, it's entirely clear why Spock risks his career for Pike during Menagerie.
I wonder if the SNW season 2 episode where Pike has to defend Una's right to be a Starfleet officer will be titled "The Measure of a Woman" to echo the TNG season 2 episode title?
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