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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x10 - "A Quality of Mercy"

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"Man, I remember you back at the Academy. A stack of books with legs. The first thing I ever heard from an upperclassman was: 'Watch out for Lieutenant Kirk! In his class you either think...or sink.' "
"On the other hand, he's easily distracted by a blonde"
 
My thought is Kirk as we know him is shaped partially by the people around him. This Kirk never served with Spock and McCoy and probably never had to kill his best friend who became a power mad god.
In the alternate reality, Kirk tricked Gary Mitchell into transferring to the Peregrine.
 
He should not have that much less experience though. This is Kirk at Balance of Terror age.

Not less experience, different experience. This is a Kirk who had not lived through any of the Enterprise adventures that shaped him into who he'd become by the Balance of Terror point in time. Different successes, different hardships, different tragedies. Two versions of the same man, neither better nor worse than the other. Just different by circumstance.
 
My thought is Kirk as we know him is shaped partially by the people around him. This Kirk never served with Spock and McCoy and probably never had to kill his best friend who became a power mad god.
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Nice! Originally I wondered if earlier mentions of Illyria were going to tie into Albanian history somehow, as the're one of the nations today claiming descent from the ancient Illyrians. A namesake of theirs even has a place in Greek mythology, though not sure how significant.
Maybe this is what the Vulcan’s and Romulan’s are based on, also all the other proto Vulcan’s and descendants and the such. We also have Elysium references which also ties in to the Greek mythology too. Illyrian history is quite fascinating and I can not think of any other ancient tribal societies that the original writers could have taken inspiration from in regards to the Vulcan’s and Romulan’s? Obviously the Romulan’s would be the Roman’s though? That’s pretty obvious. :shrug:
 
Maybe this is what the Vulcan’s and Romulan’s are based on, also all the other proto Vulcan’s and descendants and the such. We also have Elysium references which also ties in to the Greek mythology too. Illyrian history is quite fascinating and I can not think of any other ancient tribal societies that the original writers could have taken inspiration from in regards to the Vulcan’s and Romulan’s? Obviously the Romulan’s would be the Roman’s though? That’s pretty obvious. :shrug:
Or writers are fond of classical references.
 
Not less experience, different experience. This is a Kirk who had not lived through any of the Enterprise adventures that shaped him into who he'd become by the Balance of Terror point in time. Different successes, different hardships, different tragedies. Two versions of the same man, neither better nor worse than the other. Just different by circumstance.
Kirk history would still been the same. Except he would never had commanded the Enterprise and experience all the events that they ran into and were assign to.
 
So, not the same.
Yep, not the same. That would be a new Star Trek series they should think. What James Kirk did while commanding the Farragut. I'm assuming that he commanded the Farragut from 2259-2264 in TOS timeline.
 
"On the other hand, he's easily distracted by a blonde"
Well...even back then, remember, she was 'aimed' at him by Gary Mitchell.

Oh, and reading the screen of James T. Kirk's Starfleet record as of 2259 (from the episode):
Born: 03/09/2233, and it seems he got most of the Starfleet commendations mentioned in TOS - S1 - Court Martial while he was la Lt. (and possibly even lower) rank.

They also give the order of his assignment/posting history:

USS Republic (where the Ben Finney Matter Pile incident occurred)

Starfleet Academy (I assume he was an instructor, but it doesn't say as far as I can tell.)

USS Farragut
 
Probably commanding the Farragut instead of the Enterprise made that timeline Kirk a little less bold. You'd have to rein in your instinct to do battle when the ship you're commanding isn't the biggest and best ship in the fleet.

One could also argue that the Kirk we saw in TOS prior to Balance of Terror is not the person and therefore not the captain he would become. Take the events of "The Enemy Within" for instance. That would have to have a pretty significant effect on a person.
 
Kirk history would still been the same. Except he would never had commanded the Enterprise and experience all the events that they ran into and were assign to.
Kirk behaved differently in the Pikeverse timeline. He might have caused a war with the Romulan’s as he did not have the Entepriese crew around him to help him with the decisions. Pike wanted a peaceful solution. It’s not about one person anyway, it’s about how that person is shaped and supported by the people around them when they are making decisions. In Pikeverse, Kirk brought a fleet of useless freighters to the battle hoping it would scare the Romulan’s, they were probably simply beefed up with thoron fields and duranium shadows to try and fool the Romulan’s. The Romulan’s detected this ruse and assumed that the Federation is weak, so they took this weakness as an excuse to invade as they thought it was a sure win. The Klingon’s had exactly the same mentality in ‘Way of the Warrior’ when attacking DS9. Of course the Klingon’s should *not* have attacked in this situation either as the station had been beefed up and it was a battle that they could not win. Starfleet is beefed up behind these freighters so the Romulan’s would have entered a war thinking that they were going to win it… until they faced the real Federation fleet which is when hell would have broken loose in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. :shrug:
 
Well...even back then, remember, she was 'aimed' at him by Gary Mitchell.

Oh, and reading the screen of James T. Kirk's Starfleet record as of 2259 (from the episode):
Born: 03/09/ 2233, and it seems he got most of the commendations mentioned in TOS - S! - Court Martial while he was la Lt. (and possibly even lower) rank.

They also give the order of his assignment/posting history:

USS Republic (where the Ben Finney Matter Pile incident occurred)

Starfleet Academy (I assume he was an instructor, but it doesn't say as far as I can tell.)

USS Farragut
There's a readable version?????
 
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