Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x10 - "A Quality of Mercy"

[cooleddie74]

Heh ... refits upon refits.

In a fleet where the uniforms change every time someone sneezes I'm not shocked they keep refitting the ship every few years.

 

[Neopeius]

But I'm just so tired of the fan service.

Instead of "Strange New Worlds" we get "Star Trek Fan Service Of The Week" and it's killer because the show is so good it doesn't *need* to rely on TOS so much.

From having so many characters from TOS to having the non TOS characters have connections to TOS to having the plots connected to TOS. If there were full seasons 20+ it would be better because they could spread it out within new material. But with ten episode seasons it's just *so much* of the show.

You're in good company.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

In a fleet where the uniforms change every time someone sneezes I'm not shocked they keep refitting the ship every few years.

indeed, I seem to remember one of the DSC novels in which a character - I think it was Sarek - is rather amused at how often Starfleet redesigns its uniforms.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Monster Maroons change very little over 71 years. There must have been a decades-long epidemic of no sneezing in Starfleet that lasted from 2278 until at least 2349.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

So, Pike held the wedding in the cargo bay instead off the ship's chapel?

Maybe that's where the couple first declared their feelings for each other.

 

[Neopeius]

Maybe that's where the couple first declared their feelings for each other.

"Let's get lade..."

 

[Mr Awe]

I concur, Kirk was doing fine when when he doved down, but when he rose back up for the Immelman, I was like WTF?
That kind of stuff works better in atmosphere and with smaller fighter craft, not with big ships like the Farragut.

The manuevers you choose with a big ship and a fighter in 3D space should be drastically different.

They just show it that way for us Earthbound audiences to look more familiar and impressive. IIRC, in Babylon 5 they showed ships flipping around their axis rather than doing a big roll, and audiences thought that looked fake. But they were using real physics.

Further, in space, no it doesn't matter whether it's a larger or smaller ship. Either way you use thrusters to rotate a ship around its axis. If a ship can do an Immelman in a given amount of time in space, it can logically flip around its axis in the same because both maneuvers aren't using atmosphere to accomplish it but thrusters to rotate the ship (along with other motions for the Immelman).

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

They just show it that way for us Earthbound audiences to look more familiar and impressive. IIRC, in Babylon 5 they showed ships flipping around their axis rather than doing a big roll, and audiences thought that looked fake. But they were using real physics.

I love it when they use real Physics in their 3D Space manuevers

Further, in space, no it doesn't matter whether it's a larger or smaller ship. Either way you use thrusters to rotate a ship around its axis. If a ship can do an Immelman in a given amount of time in space, it can logically flip around its axis in the same because both maneuvers aren't using atmosphere to accomplish it but thrusters to rotate the ship (along with other motions for the Immelman).

I concur, but the choice of manuever is what I have a problem with. Not the fact on whether or not he can accomplish said manuever.

Kirk exposed a VERY wide silhouette towards his attacker when a different manuever wouldn't have exposed nearly as much.

Another issue I noticed on the USS Faragut, where were the aft Phaser Turrets?
Why wasn't the Dorsal Phaser Turrets firing the entire time they were doing the Immelman?
Did they only have Phaser Turrets on the Ventral side, because that's the only time they started firing.

 

[Yistaan]

Suffice it to say, I'd have preferred the bottom shot to depict Pike's horrible Romulan overrun future rather than be told about it.

 

[Neopeius]

They just show it that way for us Earthbound audiences to look more familiar and impressive. IIRC, in Babylon 5 they showed ships flipping around their axis rather than doing a big roll, and audiences thought that looked fake.

Did they? That was one of the scenes that absolutely sold me (and the rest of the folks in my house) on the show.

 

[DaveyNY]

Against a weapon that travels in a straight line, gives ample warning that it is being fired and is apparently quite a bit slower than light-speed ...,

One would think doing a reverse dive and going back under it would have been the best option.

 

[Airmandan]

Pike knowing that the end result would be bad is what made him so hesitant here. His future self actually did him a disservice by sending him, because he can't make any good decisions. "I'm going to send you to a future event that goes bad, so you can see what will happen if you don't let yourself go melty". Without any context, Pike would probably be a whole lot more decisive, but here he can't help but overthink every little action.

 

[valkyrie013]

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a40516817/anson-mount-star-trek-strange-new-worlds/
Esquire article

 

[Belz...]

Again, you are interpreting my post's in a manner that suits your purpose.
Not in the manner in which they were delivered or intended.

I think I've demonstrated that this isn't the case, but fine, let's start over: All I'm saying is that I've been there, spending time and energy to explain every little inconsistency because the showrunners couldn't be bothered to be mindful of continuity, or simply because the needs of what they saw as a good story outweighed it. And it's a losing battle, because a lot of these inconsistencies are just plain logical contradictions. So, more recently, I decided that I was being silly, and mostly just gave up. Now I just want to enjoy the show for what it is. I don't think that means I've "lost" anything of my enthousiasm for Star Trek. I just choose to "spend" that enthousiasm differently.

Fair?

 

[DesolationGod]

Great episode, thought the whole thing with the romulans was interesting, hope una is freed...also I am not understanding this whole time crystal thing, how did old pike come back and specifically into his cabin...or was he like a projection?

 

[Okmyx]

Pike made a double mistake. He first hesitated. That caused the Farragut to be destroyed and the Enterprise had more severe damage. That caused him to make the second mistake of the big gamble at negotiating. He didn't listen to Spock about the need to destroy them, whereas Kirk did. So, I guess that's at least three mistakes.

Error. Error. ERROR. MUST NEUTRALIZE! NEU-TRA-LIZE!

Just finished watching. I give it a 10. Admittedly there has been a bit too much pandering to TOS etc, but it is the first season, only 10 episodes, and I think they were just testing the waters.

some more random thoughts...

I have to say, I really dislike the whole time travel deal in SF. That's just me. The time crystals though, I justify as merely a look into a future instead of actually traveling to it.

I have not read through all the posts in this thread, but I have noticed several about physics, and immelmans, and I agree with the lack of real science, but then this is fiction, and entertainment. The Expanse worked real science better - to a point, but again, entertainment. I prefer to take in the entire show, not focusing on nits. And this episode was a good one.

I really like the movie "The Enemy Below". I liked the TOS version in BoT. I also enjoyed this alternate version. The tie-ins and parallels were interesting and well done.

Going to watch it again, soon. This might be the best episode yet, and looking forward to next season.

 

[fireproof78]

Instead of "Strange New Worlds" we get "Star Trek Fan Service Of The Week" and it's killer because the show is so good it doesn't *need* to rely on TOS so much.

I believe the phrase is "give the people what they want.

I agree that fan service of the week is not ideal. But, it's being demonstrated to work successfully and draw in the crowds. So...

 

[Mr Awe]

I just take it not that Pike is inacpable/incompetent in that kinda situation he just didn't have the rights kind of command mechanism for it to work out the way it needed too. From what we've seen of him up to this point he's pretty much of the mentality of "we can work together to find a common ground and make this work" and, actually, that thought process almost works here. It's just that in this circumstance it takes Kirk's special kind of way of dealing with things fir stuff to work out "right."

It's not a situation where Pike's friendly approach will work. It's like Jelico in Chain of Command, him being put there wasn't to speak against Picard's or Riker's command styles it's that Jelico's experience with the Cardassians was the specific key needed for that situation to have the best possible chance of working.

This episode isn't saying Pike is a poor commander just not the "right" one for this to work.

And agreed, Wesley is no Kirk.

I did mention that in my review. I also said that you could probably put Kirk in a Pike mission and he might not do as well. But it's just a weird episode where you're told at the beginning that the lead will mess up big time, you wait for it, and it happens. But don't worry, it's all a reset (almost). It took me out of the episode a bit.

But I do think it makes Pike look bad to some degree though. He couldn't adapt his thinking quickly enough. Kirk started out being cautious just like Pike. But after Spock's comment about his ancestors, Kirk knew what to do. Pike also knew and trusted Spock but didn't heed his warning fully enough.

All in all, it wasn't a bad episode. There were just multiple issues that reduced the drama and took me out of the story a bit.

I would've preferred an all new, epic adventure to close out a season rather than one that didn't happen.

But it seems like most people loved it. So, I'm glad for you all. All in all, fantastic season!

 

[Mr Awe]

Sometimes a situation needs a Jim Kirk who'll blow up an enemy ship, violate enemy space and break the Prime Directive. And these are good things.

I think the crucial thing is to have a Captain who knows which mode to be in. Kirk started out cautious but changed his plan as events unfolded. He also took Spock's words to heart, unlike Pike. Adaptability.

 

[Belz...]

I believe the phrase is "give the people what they want.

I agree that fan service of the week is not ideal. But, it's being demonstrated to work successfully and draw in the crowds. So...

Draw in the crowd, or draw in the smaller groups of fans? Time will tell if that's a profitable strategy.

Personally, I prefer less fanservice and more fresh stuff.