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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"

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uhura may be black and iconic but boy, was she down graded on this show and not even needed. Hammer is blind and now he has been killed off.

Uhura is one of the highlights of SNW in my opinion. She's was perfectly cast, and is involved way more than I would expect for a cadet. And I think that's a key point; she's a cadet. And on landing parties. On the bridge. Speaking up at the Captain's Table. Acting in many ways like a senior officer. As far as I'm concerned, she's the real star of the show -- along with Hemmer. I hate what they did to him; he had so much personality and was one of the only characters that felt genuinely Starfleet.
 
Hated it. I've seen Alien, Aliens and Predator a hundred times. Not interested in seeing pale knockoffs.

I rated it a 2.

ETA, 2 not 1 as I originally said.


I gave it a 6 only because I liked the scenes on the enterprise and spock and chapels arc. Other than that I was disappointed. They even made the little girl look like newt. It was a lot like Aliens with the predator eye sight thrown in. Yeah just to derivative of a superior movie and the changes to the gorn are too much to be ignored and saying they fit in perfectly with canon. Until I see a gorn ship and their captain wearing a version of the classic tunic and a knife at his belt im going to say this is a reboot.
 
Yeah, this episode is very much about finding your place within a found family as a result of tragedy. For La'an, it means acting to care for Oriana as Una once cared for her; for Nyota, it means taking Hemmer's words to heart and not running away from Starfleet and the Enterprise crew. Arguably it also applies to Spock and Christine, who are starting to realize that they are a better match for each other than Spock and T'Pring.

Speaking of which -- That Scene. Jesus.
Spock seemed very lost to me at the end.
 
Oh man it's so sad. But man bun hairstyles make it to the 23rd century. One guy on the bridge had a man bun. The humanity of it all. The worst men's hair style since the mullet. Worse than the mullet......much worse.
 
I thought this episode was quite atmospheric and very entertaining, with the right beats for character development, all this enough to rate this a "9" despite the pastiche-y nature of the thing.

I did have to turn up my suspension of disbelief with the Gorn in a number of ways, as the depiction bordered on silliness at times. I think the apparent inconsistencies in Gorn depictions in their handful of appearances or mentions in the franchise are best explained by having multiple types/species/whatever of Gorn within their Hegemony. It is certainly hard to picture these extremely fast and agile, juvenile Gorn driven by raw animal instinct, growing up into the "highly advanced," slow yet unstoppable force of brute strength that was depicted in TOS "Arena."

Here's a bit of retcon-logic... Kirk referred to the reptilian captain he encountered as "the creature the Metrons called a Gorn." Maybe he had heard vague rumors and reports of the type of Gorn that Pike had encountered, but this one was different enough that he didn't quite take it at face value that it was actually the same thing.

By the way, let's dispense with notions that the TOS Gorn is 'silly' or 'cheap' or whatever, and give credit where credit is due for Wah Chang's work on the design and the costume. Michael Westmore noted that the TOS Gorn captain "was a very advanced creation for his time." And it was meant to be slow and lumbering per the script; think how silly it would look for something like the classic Godzilla to dart around like a little lizard.

Also, a frozen-solid body with bones wouldn't actually shatter into ice dust on impact like that when struck with a hard object. :rolleyes: But that's obviously an homage to well-known Hollywood depictions. So I guess we can let that slide.

I will take your word for it.
Though uneven at times, "Stranger Things" is quite a fun homage to 80s pop culture. Even for me, and for the most part I generally can't stand 80s pop culture. It took me four years to convince myself to finally give the series a try.

Kor
 
Aliens is currently trending on twitter, I guess I should thank this episode???
Ugh. Aliens is one of the worst science fiction franchises out there. The fact that Trek decided to ape it makes all the more painful. That this episode is generating any sort of publicity for that abomination of a franchise is very sad to me.
Though uneven at times, "Stranger Things" is quite a fun homage to 80s pop culture. Even for me, and for the most part I generally can't stand 80s pop culture. It took me four years to convince myself to finally give the series a try.
That's part of my avoidance, besides the horror tropes too. But, I get enough 80s pop culture from the Goldbergs so I'm quite satiated on that point. Though, funnily enough, one of my coworkers just recommended it too.
 
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Ugh. Aliens is one of the worst science fiction franchises out there. The fact that Trek decided to ape it makes all the more painful. That this episode is generating any sort of publicity for that abomination of a franchise is very sad to me.

That's part of my avoidance, besides the horror tropes too. But, I get enough 80s pop culture from the Goldbergs so I'm quite satiated on that point. Though, funnily enough, one of my coworkers just recommended it too.

It's a perfectly fine pair of sci-fi horror movies. I'm glad they made those two movies and not others.
 
It's a perfectly fine pair of sci-fi horror movies. I'm glad they made those two movies and not others.
Agree to disagree. It has cast a long shadow over science fiction that I do not appreciate. The movies are not enjoyable, relish in making the characters and audience uncomfortable, and seek very little in the way of anything meaningful in terms of alien life.
 
I thought this episode was quite atmospheric and very entertaining, with the right beats for character development, all this enough to rate this a "9" despite the pastiche-y nature of the thing.

I did have to turn up my suspension of disbelief with the Gorn in a number of ways, as the depiction bordered on silliness at times. I think the apparent inconsistencies in Gorn depictions in their handful of appearances or mentions in the franchise are best explained by having multiple types/species/whatever of Gorn within their Hegemony. It is certainly hard to picture these extremely fast and agile, juvenile Gorn driven by raw animal instinct, growing up into the "highly advanced," slow yet unstoppable force of brute strength that was depicted in TOS "Arena."

Here's a bit of retcon-logic... Kirk referred to the reptilian captain he encountered as "the creature the Metrons called a Gorn." Maybe he had heard vague rumors and reports of the type of Gorn that Pike had encountered, but this one was different enough that he didn't quite take it at face value that it was actually the same thing.

By the way, let's dispense with notions that the TOS Gorn is 'silly' or 'cheap' or whatever, and give credit where credit is due for Wah Chang's work on the design and the costume. Michael Westmore noted that the TOS Gorn captain "was a very advanced creation for his time." And it was meant to be slow and lumbering per the script; think how silly it would look for something like the classic Godzilla to dart around like a little lizard.

Also, a frozen-solid body with bones wouldn't actually shatter into ice dust on impact like that when struck with a hard object. :rolleyes: But that's obviously an homage to well-known Hollywood depictions. So I guess we can let that slide.


Though uneven at times, "Stranger Things" is quite a fun homage to 80s pop culture. Even for me, and for the most part I generally can't stand 80s pop culture. It took me four years to convince myself to finally give the series a try.

Kor

Thank you Kor for introducing me to Wah Chang, who I hadn't encountered before and feel rather sad I hadn't - a wonderful artist!
 
Oh man it's so sad. But man bun hairstyles make it to the 23rd century. One guy on the bridge had a man bun. The humanity of it all. The worst men's hair style since the mullet. Worse than the mullet......much worse.
Never understood this hairstyle. Some dudes seem to be under the misguided notion that it makes them look cool, like a Samurai or something. It does not.

It makes them look like a Soccer Mom.
 
Agree to disagree. It has cast a long shadow over science fiction that I do not appreciate. The movies are not enjoyable, relish in making the characters and audience uncomfortable, and seek very little in the way of anything meaningful in terms of alien life.

Don't take this the wrong way but... they're horror movies.

Isn't the first two points kind of inherent to the genre?

For me, though, I tend to think of the films as some of the best examples of cyberpunk out there. The appeal is not actually the Alien, themselves, but just like a zombie film, the examination of human behavior in the face of an external threat. It's why the subsequent films are such messes because they rip out the role of Weyland-Yutani's greed and self-defeating nature of capitalism that provided the first two films with their appeal.
 
Don't take this the wrong way but... they're horror movies.

Isn't the first two points kind of inherent to the genre?

For me, though, I tend to think of the films as some of the best examples of cyberpunk out there. The appeal is not actually the Alien, themselves, but just like a zombie film, the examination of human behavior in the face of an external threat. It's why the subsequent films are such messes because they rip out the role of Weyland-Yutani's greed and self-defeating nature of capitalism that provided the first two films with their appeal.
Then put them in the horror genre. Doing any sort of research or developing ideas around alien ideas for personal science fiction writing leads to the aliens from Alien.

Doctor Who said it correctly-that's really offensive.
 
Then put them in the horror genre. Doing any sort of research or developing ideas around alien ideas for personal science fiction writing leads to the aliens from Alien.

Doctor Who said it correctly-that's really offensive.

It IS in the horror genre. It's horror sci-fi.

And my response to the Doctor would be, "You literally have had an entire career of hostile cannibalistic aliens with dozens of evil megacorps over the years. Do NOT try and pass yourselves off as progressive in alien representation."

But I've also stated I don't consider the Alien evil. It's just an animal that's being exploited.
 
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