Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

[Donald G]

Oh and one other thing... Chapel saying "pro tip". People don't like talk like that in the 24th century.

Then my own counter voice says "You don't know how they speak in the 24th century".

True.. but I'm sure it's not that, other me. It sounds like a patronising Californian barista talking, it's just jarringly anachronistic.

I'm okay with informal expressions that are easily decipherable without needing additional historical context and in which the context is clear without needing additional information. " Pro tip" falls in that category for me, as I can see its usage lasting in a way that twenties slang expressions like "Banana oil!" and "Apple sauce!" or late sixties/very early seventies "groovy" has not.

If the SNW characters went around constantly talking about "yeeting things into the sun" or exclaiming "YOLO!" after performing a reckless action, THAT would pull me out of the action as fast as Chris Pine's Steve Trevor using the term "Intel" as military jargon in World War I.

 

[AntonyF]

It's not.

Sure it is.

I was even going to post an image showing what a recent trend it is, but I remembered now I made attaching images a premium member feature.

 

[AntonyF]

Good thing it's the 23rd Century, then.

Oh yeah, good point. And also when you point that out, I realise how much closer 21st century and 23rd feel compared to when I started Trek and it was 20th and 24th.

Good thing it's the 23rd Century, then. QUOTE]
"Anachronistic" phrases have been in Star Trek since the beginning. You can bet credits to Navy beans on that.

Well true and I use the word knowing that every single thing in the universe is after us so could use words theoretically. And you have people like Paris who actively research the past.

Still would prefer not to have "pro tip" mind you. I think because it's largely used by idiots in the 21st century, along with the same sort of people that say "You're welcome" having never thanked them, that it irks me seeing it in Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

I am thankful I have not had that "pro tip" experience. It's generally been positive.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Oh yeah, good point. And also when you point that out, I realise how much closer 21st century and 23rd feel compared to when I started Trek and it was 20th and 24th.



Well true and I use the word knowing that every single thing in the universe is after us so could use words theoretically. And you have people like Paris who actively research the past.

Still would prefer not to have "pro tip" mind you. I think because it's largely used by idiots in the 21st century, along with the same sort of people that say "You're welcome" having never thanked them, that it irks me seeing it in Trek.

I think both phrases are used sarcastically and often for humorous effect.

 

[Weyoun 251]

I think both phrases are used sarcastically and often for humorous effect.

Also if you get "you're welcome" said to you often enough in that context, maybe you need to start saying thank you a bit more often as clearly you are a dick (potentially - this is said with no context and I do accept thar a proportion of those saying "you're welcome" are the ones being dicks)

 

[Mudd]

Pro tip: the show's written in the colloquial English of 2022, for contemporary viewers.

 

[cooleddie74]

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[AntonyF]

Also if you get "you're welcome" said to you often enough in that context, maybe you need to start saying thank you a bit more often as clearly you are a dick (potentially - this is said with no context and I do accept thar a proportion of those saying "you're welcome" are the ones being dicks)

I don't think it's ever been said to me personally, but I have seen it used a lot online and also seen it in TV programmes.

But that illustrates my point - you say it's directed at dicks. And it's aggressive, and to a similar degree but not quite as bad 'Pro tip' is too.

 

[AntonyF]

Pro tip: the show's written in the colloquial English of 2022, for contemporary viewers.

I don't know if you're disagreeing with me or agreeing with me, as it's hard to get tone sometimes but either way you have made my point exactly.

Next week we have Nurse Chapel stuffing an Oreo and Twinkie in her mouth shouting "Let's NETFLIX AND CHILL - check your DMs later Spock."

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't think it's ever been said to me personally, but I have seen it used a lot online and also seen it in TV programmes.

But that illustrates my point - you say it's directed at dicks. And it's aggressive, and to a similar degree but not quite as bad 'Pro tip' is too.

"Pro tip" is just a way of saying "Here's a word of advice". Is that aggressive, too?

I don't know if you're disagreeing with me or agreeing with me, as it's hard to get tone sometimes but either way you have made my point exactly.

Pretty sure it's the former.
Of course Serveaux has written professionally. So it might literally be a "pro tip".

Next week we have Nurse Chapel stuffing an Oreo and Twinkie in her mouth shouting "Let's NETFLIX AND CHILL - check your DMs later Spock."

Not even close to the same thing. But Trekkie, thy name is hyperbole.
As I said previously, Star Trek is full of "anachronistic" language and 20th and 21st Century colloquialisms. Why is it suddenly a problem in 2022 escapes me. They're not trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to conversational language. Frankly most attempts to do so sound ridiculous.

 

[fireproof78]

Pro tip" is just a way of saying "Here's a word of advice". Is that aggressive, too?

Yeah. I've never experienced it in a negative way in real life.

 

[Mudd]

Next week we have Nurse Chapel stuffing an Oreo and Twinkie in her mouth shouting "Let's NETFLIX AND CHILL - check your DMs later Spock."

I will pay Paramount+ extra money every month if they will make that happen.

 

[cooleddie74]

ORTEGAS: "How did last night go, Captain? Get any stank on your hangdown?"
PIKE: "Wait...what?"
ORTEGAS: "Mud on the duck?"
PIKE: "I'm...yeah, not understanding you."
SPOCK: "She is asking if you took the long train to Pinktown."

 

[GNDN18]

What’s this poppycock about anachronisms?

That is not poppycock, Mr. Bailey. That is flypaper.

 

[Noname Given]

Good thing it's the 23rd Century, then.
"Anachronistic" phrases have been in Star Trek since the beginning. You can bet credits to Navy beans on that.

Don't forget:

SPOCK: I believe it adds up to either one of two possibilities. First, a space buoy of some kind.

KIRK: Second?

SPOCK: Flypaper.

Does flypaper even exist anymore?

 

[T'Bonz]

Speaking of Paramount +, I pay extra for no ads and those pricks have a promo at the beginning of each ep. I pay for NO ads, not THEIR ad. *grumble*

 

[AntonyF]

"Pro tip" is just a way of saying "Here's a word of advice". Is that aggressive, too?

I wouldn't say it's aggressive, but it's certainly not in most cases what I would call a positive statement. There's a sense of warning there.

Pro tip actually I shouldn't call aggressive, it's more condescending. It's "I consider myself a professional, I don't know your level but I am going to imply that I am superior to you on this one."

But either way it jumped out at me in Trek as it's very much a recent explosion of use and it's never been seen in any other Trek show that I'm aware of (although I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Raffi in Picard used it). It just felt very 2022.

I think there are cultural differences too as to why some things stand out. I am not sure where you're from, but it may be more common in America English for example and obviously it's an American English show.

"What's up?" for example in the US means "how are you?" but I would take it to mean "What is wrong?" more.

I listened to a whole podcast on how US and UK interpreted "please" differently, it's a minefield.

 

[fireproof78]

Does flypaper even exist anymore?

I believe it's fly tape now.

 

[Nerys Myk]

"What's up?" for example in the US means "how are you?" but I would take it to mean "What is wrong?" more.

It's a pretty versatile phrase in the US. Adaptive to many situations.
You see a friend who looks down. "Hey, what's up?"
A crowd has gathered. You approach and ask, "What's up?"
You see someone for the first time in years "What's up!!!???"
All about tone.

But either way it jumped out at me in Trek as it's very much a recent explosion of use and it's never been seen in any other Trek show that I'm aware of (although I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Raffi in Picard used it). It just felt very 2022.

Probably the first time it's been used in Trek. Might even be the only time

Pro tip actually I shouldn't call aggressive, it's more condescending. It's "I consider myself a professional, I don't know your level but I am going to imply that I am superior to you on this one."

Not always. Usually it's more like "You really blew it. Next time try this".