Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

[Weyoun 251]

Well, it wasn't "one" episode we're talking about it's two. And not just any two episodes, but the only appearance of Pike (in TOS) and the first appearance of Kirk. Her absence in "Doomsday" isn't really relevant here because she had appearances both before and after. If one thing is clear it that Uhura has a heck of a work ethic. She shows up for work a week after having her memory wiped clean.

Look, I'm not even saying that I believe she had to have started under Kirk, merely that those who do say so have more than adequate justification for doing so and should not be dismissed as using "headcanon". (Not sure if that was you who did that, but somebody did upthread.)

So we have 7 years between SNW and TOS - as she is a cadet, maybe she is on something approaching a "year in industry" like you'd do at university. So she is one of the top performing students in her year, gets the Ent posting for the year/2 years in the real world, and then is posted elsewhere for a few years after graduating before getting the transfer to the Ent around WNMHGB which would ties it all up?

I do stand by there being no specific dialogue or anything else that states she had to start under Kirk but this would cover both sides of the equation.

Oh please, I've had the queer community in my life for decades, so I do appreciate your victories, but this one just didn't register with me. I probably wasn't paying attention which is why the detail slipped by me but it wouldn't have changed my opinion of their performance. You're seeing it with a different pair of eyes and I am, so you feel differently. That's fair.

Get the chip off your shoulder, not every CIS gender person is dismissive or hostile. I have great admiration for the non-straight community and am happy for the representation they're finally getting. I did theater for years and you can't do NY theater without large LGBT involvement. Sweetest, funniest and toughest people I've ever met.

And they all gave better performances than what I saw in the last half of this episode

I think the "chip" that you speak of is a more than fair reaction to the comments of a few on here the last few days and their disgusting attitudes towards LGBT people

 

[Captain Jollydark]

They haven’t done dick jokes.

Season 3 also has so little humour people are complaining about it.

Well, they're only 3 eps in but ...yeah.

 

[E-DUB]

So we have 7 years between SNW and TOS - as she is a cadet, maybe she is on something approaching a "year in industry" like you'd do at university. So she is one of the top performing students in her year, gets the Ent posting for the year/2 years in the real world, and then is posted elsewhere for a few years after graduating before getting the transfer to the Ent around WNMHGB which would ties it all up?

I do stand by there being no specific dialogue or anything else that states she had to start under Kirk but this would cover both sides of the equation.



I think the "chip" that you speak of is a more than fair reaction to the comments of a few on here the last few days and their disgusting attitudes towards LGBT people

Your explanation works for me. Fits Celia Uhura and Nichelle Uhura. (Zoe Uhura is another matter as she clearly comes aboard with Kirk, though under Pike.)

 

[TRON JA307020]

I've heard that she has said that, but it seems to contradict what is actually depicted on screen. We very rarely see Vulcan romance throughout the franchise. I think it might be more accurate to say that Vulcans are capable of performing at any given time, but that they mostly choose not to. Let's face it, if being intimate is like reading the newspaper, then why bother?

Why bother? Vulcans read everything that us humans would find boring. Just a couple eps ago Spock was looking forward to reading some boring data he found on a planet. He looked more forward to that then having sex with Tpring. Lol

 

[TRON JA307020]

Who pays any attention to gender pronouns?

Yeah i guess I dont when it comes to tv. Lol. Worrying about pronouns is last on my list these days.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Just like in Amok Time.

Weird, I saw that tiny twitch of a smile as being glad Spock is on the line. But I'm having a lot more sympathy for this T'Pring. Her efforts to connect are endearing.

 

[Weyoun 251]

Your explanation works for me. Fits Celia Uhura and Nichelle Uhura. (Zoe Uhura is another matter as she clearly comes aboard with Kirk, though under Pike.)

Aye - Zoe Uhura (Saldura? I feel we can come up with a better one) isn't going to line up due to the timeline change.

Not having a go at anyone, but some people who take issues with these things do seem to search for overly complex answers to it whereas a simple one, like my resolution to the Uhura question, often gets you there with much less pain and suffering

 

[ichab]

An enjoyable episode, but man, Angel's performance went WAY over the top after the character was revealed to be the villain. Still, a very satisfying ending.

 

[Noname Given]

They implied it was an unusual occurrence where you wouldn’t be able to count on support.

All they said that it was it required clearance from Starfleet Command. Spock was the one who stated that if they went ahead right now and did it without clearance they would be completely on their own. Pike believe he would get clearance but he didn't want to wait two days.

In TOS it was explicitly stated that Kirk was on a five-year mission to explore beyond the boundaries of the Federation. The ship was routinely recalled to Federation space to perform various duties doesn't change the fact that under Kirk's command, the ship had bespoken clearance to leave Federation space whenever Kirk wished.

At this point in time (2259), Pike's situation is different

 

[Mr. Nova]

Why bother? Vulcans read everything that us humans would find boring. Just a couple eps ago Spock was looking forward to reading some boring data he found on a planet. He looked more forward to that then having sex with Tpring. Lol

Exactly my point. Why bother having sex when you can have more fun reading the newspaper, or alien data tubes.

 

[JulieYBM]

Yeah i guess I dont. Lol. Worrying about pronouns is last on my list these days.

Not respecting a trans person's pronouns is transphobia. Angel uses they/them pronouns until otherwise specified.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Not having a go at anyone, but some people who take issues with these things do seem to search for overly complex answers to it whereas a simple one, like my resolution to the Uhura question, often gets you there with much less pain and suffering

 

[fireproof78]

Exactly my point. Why bother having sex when you can have more fun reading the newspaper, or alien data tubes.

Yup.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well, they're only 3 eps in but ...yeah.

Well they've said in interviews that this season is going to be more serious. Season 2 was also more serious than Season 1.

 

[Weyoun 251]

All they said that it was it required clearance from Starfleet Command. Spock was the one who stated that if they went ahead right now and did it without clearance they would be completely on their own. Pike believe he would get clearance but he didn't want to wait two days.

In TOS it was explicitly stated that Kirk was on a five-year mission to explore beyond the boundaries of the Federation. The ship was routinely recalled to Federation space to perform various duties doesn't change the fact that under Kirk's command, the ship had bespoken clearance to leave Federation space whenever Kirk wished.

At this point in time (2259), Pike's situation is different

Could probably reconcile it that being only a year removed from the problems of control and 2 years post Klingon war that Starfleet are being much more stringent in their rules and more cautious due to a reduced number of ships and crewmembers

 

[TRON JA307020]

Not respecting a trans person's pronouns is transphobia. Angel uses they/them pronouns until otherwise specified.

I personally have more serious things to worry about today. I am not worried about my pronouns.
Thats just me though. It doesnt make me transphobic. I'll designate a person anything they want me to long as they tell me. If they dont tell me ill designate them in how they look until I am corrected. Basically the same way they would treat me. But for my own personal ones its last on my list as well as paying a lot of attention to it when watching a tv show.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Exactly my point. Why bother having sex when you can have more fun reading the newspaper, or alien data tubes.

Like I said they were having sex like they were reading a newspaper.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

The Vulcan word for sex is sudoku.

 

[Maurice]

Who pays any attention to gender pronouns?

Me, for one, thank you very much. I call people by the names they prefer and the pronouns they prefer. It’s a very teeny tiny ask to be respectful of people, innit?

 

[Jedi Marso]

All they said that it was it required clearance from Starfleet Command. Spock was the one who stated that if they went ahead right now and did it without clearance they would be completely on their own. Pike believe he would get clearance but he didn't want to wait two days.

In TOS it was explicitly stated that Kirk was on a five-year mission to explore beyond the boundaries of the Federation. The ship was routinely recalled to Federation space to perform various duties doesn't change the fact that under Kirk's command, the ship had bespoken clearance to leave Federation space whenever Kirk wished.

At this point in time (2259), Pike's situation is different

I always liked the Franz Joseph idea that there were two aspects to Federation space, especially in the early days: That there was the "UFP Principal Stellar Systems", basically a tight sphere 14 parsecs across encompassing the core worlds of the Federation, and then the larger sphere that was called 'The UFP Treaty Exploration Territory", which formed the boundaries of 'Federation Space' against other interstellar governments like the Klingons and Romulans. However, while claimed as Federation space, the Treaty Exploration Territory was sparsely colonized, charted, or even initially surveyed, because a volume of space some hundreds or thousands of parsecs in diameter contains so many stars that it would take decades or even centuries to fully explore them all.

It's all illustrated on pages TO:02:07:01 and :02 in the Franz Joseph Starfleet Technical Manual. FASA adopted the concept as well for its ST RPG. I've always thought of the "Five Year Missions" of the Constitution Class Starships as happening within the UFP Treaty Exploration Zone, where there are thousands upon thousands of undiscovered worlds and civilizations interspersed among the colonies, trade routes, and star bases established by the UFP. These would be your star sysems like Ceti Alpha, Eminiar VII, Deneva, etc. Within Federation space per se, but previously unvisited/unexplored by any starship.

Worlds (or even small planetary confederations) within the Treaty Exploration Territory opting out of UFP membership would be left to their own devices, as independent entities not falling under the jurisprudence of Federation law or the services and protection of Starfleet. Majalan (Lift Us Up Where Suffering Cannot Reach) would be a prime example of this. Balok's First Federation as well, although I'd like to think that they eventually joined the UFP.

So when Pike talks about needing permission to 'leave Federation space', I take that to mean that he needs permission to leave the UFP Treaty Exploration Zone, which is outside the bounds of UFP Principal Stellar Systems but in the largely unexplored region still considered 'Federation space.' It segues in quite nicely if you think about it that way, if you ask me.