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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

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Tuskin38 said:
It was never a problem. That split in of who can reference what was entirely made up by the fans misunderstanding things.

CBS owned the rights to all Trek, even the stuff made by Paramount. All Paramount had was distribution rights and the rights to make their own movies.
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It's apocrypha for all I know, but I had a conversation with an S1 Discovery writer on another board and joked about whether or not Sybok came up in their writers room and they said they had a list of no-gos from the movie side of things that they couldn't use. But they could have also been mistaken and they've since left the show since they were only there during the Fuller-era.

Sakonna said:
Streaming Trek has gone big on representation in their casting -- appropriately so -- so it just struck me as odd they (seemingly) made an exception in this case.


But this I didn't know. I have read about her in connection to "Big Sky" and "Queer As Folk" (and watched her in the latter) and only ever seen her described as a transwoman. Then I checked her IG before posting and it only listed she/her as pronouns, so I assumed she was exclusively female-identified.
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Yeah, for the Big Sky casting news, the press I read talked about how it was the first network show to feature a non-binary actor and a non-binary character:
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...s-keitel-groundbreaking-big-sky-role-n1249521
I've seen that she primarily goes by she/her pronouns, but is fine with they/them - the NBC story above uses they/them pronouns for instance.

But of course, that was also 2 years ago.
 
T’Pring’s ship appears to be based off the Vulcan ships we saw in Discovery, but I don’t think it’s identical. The ring for example appears to be completely round.


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Looks like a post filming decision, because the displays the Enterprise bridge show the original design.
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Sakonna said:
I must admit, I'm a bit baffled by the gender identity thing with Aspen/Angel. They cast a woman who uses she/her pronouns to play a non-binary character who uses they/them? Why not hire a non-binary actor for this non-binary role? Or present the character as a transwoman once they cast this actress?
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Apparently Jesse is trans, nonbinary, and uses she/her pronouns. Her character uses they/them pronouns (no idea if they are supposed to be trans or nonbinary).

Sakonna said:
Performance-wise, I LOVED her as Dr. Aspen and thought she was not as good as Captain Angel -- but Dr. Aspen was also written better than Captain Angel, so not really her fault.
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The sudden tonal shift into high ham quite nearly killed it for me.
 
When they were setting up how far out they were at the beginning of this one, how they needed to drop buoys even to be able to communicate, I said "Ohhhh, I LOVE how SNW is making space big again!" What a delightful departure from Discovery's practice of having all points in the galaxy only one hour away from each other, I thought.

Then at the end it took T'Pring 30 seconds to get there from Vulcan. It was nice while it lasted. :biggrin: I'm just going to tell myself a lot more time elapsed between scenes there than was suggested. :bolian:
 
Sakonna said:
Then at the end it took T'Pring 30 seconds to get there from Vulcan. It was nice while it lasted. :biggrin: I'm just going to tell myself a lot more time elapsed between scenes there than was suggested. :bolian:
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T'Pring: I wrote off Sybok's claims of knowing new high speed travel methods as insanity. Turns out he was correct. We should be able to travel to the center of the galaxy within a few decades using his methods.
 
Sakonna said:
No, it's actually there. They talked about the character as non-binary in pre-release press and then it's they/them pronouns all the way through

Discussing the characters identities and how that interacts with the plot is part of enjoying the adventure of the story. For me and some others, anyway. YMMV.
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I honestly didn't notice. Things like gender pronouns pass me by when I watch TV. I guess when I rewatch I will look for it more.
 
Pubert said:
A really good episode. Ethan Peck is playing Spock really well. They haven't fallen back on giving him to many emotions like the Kelvin movies. I like the less emotional Spock that peck is giving us. The interaction with Nurse Chapel is also well done. Spock has pretty much put her in the friend category and chapel wants more. So the relationship has been established. Also we have see Stonn. They picked an actor that looks a lot like the TOS version. Nicely done. Also we get a bit of Sybok. Fun episode all the way down to Pikes terrible imitation of a pirate. Lol.
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Its interesting but not really a fair comparison to Kelvin Spock. I see Kelvin Spock as different for many reasons, in that he knows how to switch better between his vulcan and human side, also about the emotions, Kelvin Spock had to be emotional.

he lost his entire planet and his mum. Peck's Spock who is actually a young Nimoy Spock will never experience that kind of loss at such a young age.

One thing I will say about SNW is that it is quite light hearted, I think they did to to separate it from Discovery, However SNW may be to fluff when compared to the larger trek. for now I dont see SNW making an episode like TNG Best of Both Worlds or Cause and Effect. the characters are just to generic to fit in that bubble, especially Ortega.

I have seen a person call this SNW episode cheesy and the villain quite cartoonish. Kelvin movies, especially the first was very heavy and intense and Quinto Spock was right at the centre of it. I will even say I will give Chris Pine Kirk the edge than Mount's Pike at been a more effective leader in knowing how to stop Nero.

I hope season 2 of SNW gets a bit heavier and maybe they can make the show both episodic and both serialized.

There is nothing wrong in episodic stories but how the story can be so basic and the issue all need to be resolved at the very last minutes all builds to generic.
 
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this video can be looked at in context.

Chapel's reaction at 0.37 may be surprised or maybe one of shock now if we put SNW in content, maybe she is shocked because Spock just never officially ended it with tpring.
 
I don't know who will ultimately play Sybok in future episodes but looking at a screenshot from the end of the episode I think the "unnamed performer" as Sybok is probably Ethan Peck with a fake beard.

valden said:
Chapel's reaction at 0.37 may be surprised or maybe one of shock now if we put SNW in content, maybe she is shocked because Spock just never officially ended it with tpring.
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I think at some point Spock would have to kind of end it with T'Pring if Leila Kalomi is going to be introduced as a serious romance prospect.
 
firehawk12 said:
My other niggle is having the non-binary character be the traitor, while also being the one to stand in for the obvious discussion about the false dichotomies created by rigid binaries. Like, it's totally obvious and I get why they did it, but if they wanted to play it out, I kind of wish Doctor Aspen was an actual character and not a cover for Angel.
It just reminded me of how DS9 only introduced queer characters through their evil mirror universe counterparts.

But... I also take the point that non-binary people can be treacherous too, which, fair enough. lol
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Angel left the real Dr Aspen (pointedly referred to as "they/them" in dialog) to die somewhere. So evil bad was standing in for an actual non-binary person. But yeah. Even so the actor obviously relished the role. And accepted it knowing the twist.
 
Pubert said:
I think you're reading into it more than what's there. Why is this stuff so important in every episode to find a non binary character or actor? Enjoy the adventure of each story.
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Ahh. There it is. I was waiting for it.

As I said in a previous thread, some groups have been misrepresented and underrepresented in entertainment for all if it. So it's nice when they get some fair presentation.
 
Sakonna said:
I must admit, I'm a bit baffled by the gender identity thing with Aspen/Angel. They cast a woman who uses she/her pronouns to play a non-binary character who uses they/them? Why not hire a non-binary actor for this non-binary role? Or present the character as a transwoman once they cast this actress?

And within the plot, was the real Dr. Aspen also non-binary? Or was Captain Angel a female character assuming a non-binary cover identity?

Performance-wise, I LOVED her as Dr. Aspen and thought she was not as good as Captain Angel -- but Dr. Aspen was also written better than Captain Angel, so not really her fault.

And I still basically liked the performance -- Angel seems set up to recur and I am here for it.

I mean, the outfits alone -- A+ to costumes for everything Jesse James Keitel wore in this episode.



No, M'Benga was there, briefly. He was in the cell with Pike, Una, La'an, and Ortegas.
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Keitel is non-binary and uses she/her pronouns, going by Wikipedia. The character that Keitel plays uses they/them pronouns. Luckily, there is no one right way to be trans, ergo if Keitel claims to be non-binary and use she/her pronouns then that is simply that. In the case of Captain Angel, the character uses they/them pronouns and is seemingly non-binary, too. Ergo, they cast a non-binary performer (who happens to also present feminine) to play a non-binary character.
 
valden said:
Chapel joined the crew to search for her fiancé and her character here as many have said is so different, it is hard to reconcile both.
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It has been said before here but just to reiterate- Chapel is not a member of the crew now. She's an independent contractor on loan from a research facility. She makes disguises using genomes. It's all in the first damned episode. Dr. Korby is not currently her motivation.
 
Not that it matters of course, but I didn't pick up on Keitel being trans until about halfway though the episode, so some of the subtext in casting may have been lost on me.
 
valden said:
Chapel's reaction at 0.37 may be surprised or maybe one of shock now if we put SNW in content, maybe she is shocked because Spock just never officially ended it with tpring.
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Which is the purpose of a prequel. To take away supposition and provide context.
 
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