Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x06 - "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach"

[Timofnine]

Sometimes Trek needs sad and downer endings. "City on the Edge of Forever(TOS)" and "Cogenitor(ENT)" are two examples of stories concluded with tragedy and the lead characters shaken and forever changed in some way. Trek can't always be hope and promise as the hero ship flies off into a nebula nor should it be. Heroes don't always win the day.

I think that they will make a happy ending out of this, the First Servant is super intelligent, and he will be looking out for his friend Rukiya, even if now only on a subconscious level…. I still believe that they will end up living in a simulation together, in the super computer pattern buffers of Majalis

 

[GNDN18]

Sometimes Trek needs sad and downer endings. "City on the Edge of Forever(TOS)" and "Cogenitor(ENT)" are two examples of stories concluded with tragedy and the lead characters shaken and forever changed in some way. Trek can't always be hope and promise as the hero ship flies off into a nebula nor should it be. Heroes don't always win the day.

 

[cooleddie74]

And we're all better off for them. Even if they weren't.

 

[GNDN18]

And we're all better off for them. Even if they weren't.

Putting that clip show together, it affected me more than I expected. Star Trek, when it loses—or when the wins come at an irrecoverable cost—is a surprisingly adult show.

 

[cooleddie74]

Kirk's expression when Angela Martine quietly and numbly walks out of the ship's chapel says it all. "I can't fix their pain. And I have to come to accept that if I want to command these people."

 

[Amaris]

Kirk's expression when Angela Martine quietly and numbly walks out of the ship's chapel says it all. "I can't fix their pain. And I have to come to accept that if I want to command these people."

Bill gets a lot of flack, and much of it justified, but when he wanted, he could convey a hell of a lot of emotion with just a few words and gestures.

 

[cooleddie74]

Shatner is the master of both overblown ham and understated pain. That glance around the chapel before he walks out says it all. I can't prevent tragedy. And dammit, I hate it so damn much.

 

[GNDN18]

Shatner is the master of both overblown ham and understated pain. That glance around the chapel before he walks out says it all. I can't prevent tragedy. And dammit, I hate it so damn much.

Exactly. And then, in the corridor, his expression suggests that he see that he has to pull it together because he’s among his crew where he has to “be the captain.” The evolution is complete as he exits the scene and his face is mask of steely determination.

With all respect to Shatner’s abilities, Vincent McEveety got the best performances from him.

 

[cooleddie74]

He was a regular person on even footing with Martine inside the chapel. Outside he slowly pulls himself back into their Captain, regaining an air of confidence and leadership. Not because he necessarily wants to right at that moment.

Because he has to. He's the Captain of the Enterprise. And every surviving crewmember still needs him.

 

[Timofnine]

The Enterprise will return and supply a copy of Spock's Brain to stand in for him.

But if this was to occur, it would be many years in to the future, can M’Benga keep his daughter hidden in the pattern buffer for this long, all the way in to Kirk’s 5 year mission?

 

[Mr Awe]

"To boldly go" is a split infinitive, which in English grammar, is incorrect.

Split infinitives are actually correct. Writers often think it's incorrect but it's not. There's a history behind that I won't go into, but Google is your friend.

Whether you should or should not use a split infinitive depends upon what you want to emphasize. When you want to emphasize "boldly" in relation to "going," using the split infinitive is correct. Basically, use the phrasing that makes the most sense for what you are expressing.

Is it OK to split an infinitive? | MLA Style Center

 

[Belz...]

Putting that clip show together, it affected me more than I expected. Star Trek, when it loses—or when the wins come at an irrecoverable cost—is a surprisingly adult show.

And regardless, surprisingly uplifting.

 

[fireproof78]

Split infinitives are actually correct. Writers often think it's incorrect but it's not. There's a history behind that I won't go into, but Google is your friend.

Whether you should or should not use a split infinitive depends upon what you want to emphasize. When you want to emphasize "boldly" in relation to "going," using the split infinitive is correct. Basically, use the phrasing that makes the most sense for what you are expressing.

Is it OK to split an infinitive? | MLA Style Center

Pretty sure I linked to that in another reply

 

[Mr Awe]

Surely a split infinitive can only be ‘split’ if the two parts are of one and the same ‘word’, therefore splitting the sequence of letters/sounds would ‘break’ the meaning of the word and would also break a pattern in other similarly structured word combinations? This ‘to go’ logic should therefore be applied to other similar examples of wording structures in the English language too? For example, ‘can not’ becomes cannot as previously stated, so perhaps ‘to go’ becomes ‘togo’. We can say “You can definitely not do that!” - however this would be splitting ‘cannot’ though. We could therefore rephrase this as “you definitely cannot do that”, or using the split infinitive logic we could say “you cannot definitely do that”.

Who’s making this sh*t up anyway?? Shakespeare?

No worries. It's not a problem splitting an infinitive! Use the phrasing that works best for what you want to communicate.

 

[Mr Awe]

Have to chime in as an English teacher and say: split infinitives are perfectly fine and sometimes preferable to not splitting them. As the American Heritage Dictionary says (and many major dictionaries, linguists, and rhetoricians echo), "The only rationale for condemning the construction is based on a false analogy with Latin."

Yes! Thank you!

 

[Mr Awe]

Pretty sure I linked to that in another reply

Well, buddy, I hadn't seen it at the point I had replied. And you haven't seem to incorporate into your thinking anyway.

Split infinitives are just fine. And, in fact, preferred when they make your statement clearer.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, buddy, I hadn't seen it at the point I had replied. And you haven't seem to incorporate into your thinking anyway.

Split infinitives are just fine. And, in fact, preferred when they make your statement clearer.

I was abiding by the technical rules in my explanation, not whether or not they could be used.

And no, I don't incorporate it in to my thinking. I see no reason to at this point.

 

[Mr Awe]

The prescription against splitting infinitives is one of those things that goes beyond a matter of taste and in fact ends up damaging students' ability to write with confidence and clarity, so I feel strongly about it. To me, even if we disregard the consensus for a minute, a good rule of right and wrong is whether a rule does harm. The rule against splitting is one that I have seen harm both clarity and emotional well-being.

Again! What you said! I also feel strongly about it for the same reasons. As I understand the history behind it, it's kind of artificial how it became a "rule" anyway--several people trying to enforce a similarity to Latin.

In the end, it might do no harm in some cases but trying to apply it in other cases reduces clarity. So, no real reason for it to exist.

 

[Mr Awe]

I was abiding by the technical rules in my explanation, not whether or not they could be used.

It's not even a technical rule. That's where you're missing the point. It's just not a rule.

 

[fireproof78]

It's not even a technical rule. That's where you're missing the point. It's just not a rule.

It was when I learned.

Also, it is discouraged in formal writing. Perhaps these people need updating too?