Indeed. Especially in a franchise about our humanity's future.
Khan and the Eugenics War
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I just thought of something:
In the last episode of PIC, Wesley - who is now a Traveller - says something about the last time he told a joke, he altered years of history. Maybe this is what he was talking about?
That you know of...I mean, we never had any orbital nuclear weapons platforms in 1968, did we?
I'm also pretty sure we're not going to have a manned mission to Europa in 2 years.
The PU is not our future. No need to retcon dates and events.
Of course not. The monoliths won't let us.
It's not our future. It's It's tv show. They are going to have to retcon again I'm a few years. In a hundred years plus they have to retcon when starfleet started. Right? It's totally ridiculous when its a fictional universe.
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the DC/Marvel comics do it all the time.
It's not an uncommon concept in fictional stories.
Whatever has happened to the Eugenics Wars, has pretty much been limited to vague references and implications. Perhaps the intent WAS to move them, but that hasn't officially happened onscreen as of yet. So for all we know a future episode writer could come along and nail down the 1992-96 dates once again just because they feel like it.
Except, that's literally what Trek has done for decades now. So, yes, the retcon will continue on...;
...and on, and on and on.
And no TV show set "now" is our present. Yet, for the most part they are treated as they are. Star Trek was created to be an extrapolation of our future. What we could become. No one set out to create an alternate reality. Which is why visits to the present, when ever that was in relationship to the show, always looked like contemporary Earth and not some alternate timeline.
No, the Confedverse is a reality that comes into existence after the events if PIC2. Or would have if things had gone differently.
Yep. This is what fans fail to get with all the "alternate universe" stuff.
They've invented a two word, six-syllable phrase when the word "fiction" is already more than sufficient, widely understood, and is far more flexible.
At that time, it could have been our future. No longer.
It can always be our future. Fiction is mutable.
No it couldn't, because the "science" was always nonsense.
I took that as a reference to Disco/SNW's so-loose-they-might-as-well-be-reboots take on classic continuity.
You think that he was responsible for creating the Confderacy timeline? I don't think so, but hey, who knows.
I think Wesley may have thought of something else there.
Didn't you find the whole exchange a bit... ridiculous?
I didn't mind Wesley showing up or accepting his explanations that the Travellers are the ones behind ensuring proper flow of time and individual destinies.
My problems were:
1. The fact that Kore was deemed 'special enough' to be invited to join the Travellers (she gets space time powers now?) because to me, she seemed fairly unremarkable compared to Wesley... and didn't seem to possess same 'understanding' of higher things like he did. Sure, she may be Soong's daughter and may have had similarly high intellectual capabilities, but still.
2. That Kore would just blindly accept Wesley's (quite frankly 'outlandish' - at least from her perspective) claims without an issue and just left with him (although, Wesley did explain things the best he could and was open with her). Granted, upon accepting his offer and seeing the transporter effect in action, this would have been moot and would have proved things to her... but I'm more surprised she never required some kind of 'evidence' of his claims before agreeing - for all she knew, she could have been joining a cult of delusional people (who talk about preserving the proper flow of time).
I don't recall during the course of the season while Q interacted with her that he explained who and what he was, what he could do, or about possibility of temporal manipulation/preservation etc.
I think Wesley may have thought of something else there.
Didn't you find the whole exchange a bit... ridiculous?
I didn't mind Wesley showing up or accepting his explanations that the Travellers are the ones behind ensuring proper flow of time and individual destinies.
My problems were:
1. The fact that Kore was deemed 'special enough' to be invited to join the Travellers (she gets space time powers now?) because to me, she seemed fairly unremarkable compared to Wesley... and didn't seem to possess same 'understanding' of higher things like he did. Sure, she may be Soong's daughter and may have had similarly high intellectual capabilities, but still.
2. That Kore would just blindly accept Wesley's (quite frankly 'outlandish' - at least from her perspective) claims without an issue and just left with him (although, Wesley did explain things the best he could and was open with her). Granted, upon accepting his offer and seeing the transporter effect in action, this would have been moot and would have proved things to her... but I'm more surprised she never required some kind of 'evidence' of his claims before agreeing - for all she knew, she could have been joining a cult of delusional people (who talk about preserving the proper flow of time).
I don't recall during the course of the season while Q interacted with her that he explained who and what he was, what he could do, or about possibility of temporal manipulation/preservation etc.
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