And yet in the age of transporters still managing to be late, just like JL.
Does the United States still exist in the 23rd century?
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And yet in the age of transporters still managing to be late, just like JL.
Cool, yeah LA looks more or less the same. Not quite sure how to interpret that. For myself, I’m going to put the PIC LA in the alternate universe that I put the rest of the series. Yeah, it goes against my interpretation of Janeway’s line, but it’s also part of quasi-minimalist PIC that doesn’t really try to be of its time. Furthermore the skyline itself is untouched by the destruction of a third the planet and barely built up at all past what we might see by 2200, let alone in the 25th Century.
I know I know you can’t do that it’s doesn't perfectly fit in one universe. Neither does Star Trek. But, okay, look at Paris. It keep changing radically from series to series, and I don’t buy that either.
Nope, I’m content with a better idea than the game of trying to fit together things that don’t. Making it fit doesn’t help make it better. The makers of the thing don’t. Why interpret their creation in a way not intended? Do we really think that grotesque Frankenstein’s monster of a timeline is anything but just that?
A Great Barrier Reef II it is, in my imagination.
I know I know you can’t do that it’s doesn't perfectly fit in one universe. Neither does Star Trek. But, okay, look at Paris. It keep changing radically from series to series, and I don’t buy that either.
Nope, I’m content with a better idea than the game of trying to fit together things that don’t. Making it fit doesn’t help make it better. The makers of the thing don’t. Why interpret their creation in a way not intended? Do we really think that grotesque Frankenstein’s monster of a timeline is anything but just that?
A Great Barrier Reef II it is, in my imagination.
I mean, most Major cities we've seen Trek look untouched in the 23rd/24thh Centuries, there's new buildings sure, but there's also historical buildings.
The Transamerica Pyramid for example is still standing in the 2150s (Enterprise) and 2372 (Voyager, Pictured below). Plus the Golden Gate bridge. I mean it's possible they rebuilt it after the war, but still.
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The Transamerica Pyramid is still standing in Trek Era San Francisco in both the Prime and the Kelvin timelines.
The states themselves needn't even exist anymore as such. Those names might serve just as informal geographical/ regional indications without any 'current' political identification behind them (e.g. as we still can use 'Persia' or 'the Balkan').
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And yet dialogue and stories suggest far greater destruction than we’ve seen. When the story is about destruction, they actually show it. When it’s not, they photoshop a few more buildings into familiar surroundings and call it a paycheck.
SNW really went for it with a third of the human race dying out and hundreds of thousands of other species altogether. Good for them.
But I digress. We saw Paris obliterated too. Still they rebuilt the Eiffel Tower. I imagine the same with Golden Gate and Transamerica.
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By the time of the war, 3D printing may allow buildings to be reconstructed in a fraction of the time they take today.
Most of the Eiffel Tower was still standing after that nuke hit it. All they had to do was rebuild the upper part.
Random thought. Wouldn't Section 31 try to keep their location a secret rather than include their full address in a transmission?
Well, it wasn't THEIR address. It was a prechosen meeting location in a public area.
Wasn't the transamerica pyramid moved in 2009 or ID? I seem to recall some saying it was in the wrong place back then.
San Francisco is another one. Starfleet Headquarters or the Academy are in different locations in different episodes/movies in relation to the Golden Gate Bridge. Plus the skyline/Transamerica is different in JJ vs TMP vs DS9 vs VOY vs PIC vs… You either have to accept a vagueness to how and where everything is, or think they regularly move buildings, or they’re different universes. Or, as Captain Moe suggested recently, the Prime timeline keeps changing with countless time travel missions by our heroes and others.
Lets pull down all the cell towers and replace them with slightly better cell towers?
How many billions of dollars would that cost globally today?
The US Postal Service was in charge of the subspace radio transceivers in America,until 2050 when the US Postal service dissolved, or when money fucked off, and was replaced with the United Earth postal service.
It's only been four years.
they have to send a man around to replace millions of tranceivers across the planet and refine them into a single system that any one can use with out a post stamp.
The post Offices used to handle telegrams?
I just signed up to telegram.
How many billions of dollars would that cost globally today?
The US Postal Service was in charge of the subspace radio transceivers in America,until 2050 when the US Postal service dissolved, or when money fucked off, and was replaced with the United Earth postal service.
It's only been four years.
they have to send a man around to replace millions of tranceivers across the planet and refine them into a single system that any one can use with out a post stamp.
The post Offices used to handle telegrams?
I just signed up to telegram.
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It wasn't the full address of a Section 31 cell, just a random place chosen by Harris for his meetup with Malcolm.
In the "First Splinter" novel continuity, the Andorian Empire was called such because the warring clans had been unified in the late 19th Century by Empress Thalisar the Last. She deliberately died without an heir after establishing a parliamentary democracy that could take over after her death. Upon her passing, the Andorian Empire maintained what was called the Empty Throne, legally maintaining a monarchical head of state position without ever filling it with an actual person.
The Empty Throne was also named after the Empty Throne of Uzaveh the Infinite, also known as the Throne of Secrets, part of Uzaveh's divine realm:
The Empty Throne was at the end of the Path of Light, and stood empty beside the Throne of Life, on which sat Uzaveh herself. The throne represented a power outwith mortal ken or ability—its eponymous secrets—a fact made evident when in the liturgical text when it was claimed by the heroic proto-Andorian Thirishar. However knowing him unable to conquer the chair and the secrets of the world because he was not Whole, Uzaveh would instead break Thirishar into four beings.
Uzaveh would banish the four to the corners of the kingdom, "so far from the Thrones and utterly alone". Each gender would be given an elemental protector by Uzaveh, and she would utter to them:
"So Thirishar became four: Charaleas became wisdom; Zheusal became strength; Shanchen became blood; Thirizaz became passion. Together, the four are the First Kin."
Uzaveh would banish the four to the corners of the kingdom, "so far from the Thrones and utterly alone". Each gender would be given an elemental protector by Uzaveh, and she would utter to them:
"When you are Whole, as I am Whole," Uzaveh said, "then shall you return to my presence and assume your place at my side."
So the Empty Throne of the Andorian Empire both represented the legal continuation of the monarchy without a monarch, and the religious concepts encompassed by the Uzaveh religion.
Meanwhile, these same novels establish that the legislature of the Andorian Empire was called the Parliament Andoria. The Andorian head of government in the novels is referred to as the Presider of the Parliament Andoria. This might be seen as contradicting ENT, which references "the Andorian Chancellor" in passing, but there are systems of government in which officials called "chancellor" are not themselves heads of government, and no explicit explanation for the Andorian Chancellor's role is given; it is also possible that "Presider" and "Chancellor" just represent two different translations of the Andorian head of government's title into English. The Presider of the Parliament Andoria is the leader of the largest political party in Parliament, or of the largest party in the governing multi-party coalition.
A rump United States could have survived the war and continued making territorial claims without winning the war or actually controlling all of the territory it was claiming.
Canon is just completely ambiguous about this. There are a lot of mutually contradictory scenarios that are consistent with canon.
The nuclear exchange probably didn’t happen in the first year, as the Ares IV Mars mission was still receiving World Series scores from Earth in 2032.
So we either ignore the 2026 start date (which was only ever seen on a Bio screen in enterprise) or WW3 lasted several years before going nuclear
So we either ignore the 2026 start date (which was only ever seen on a Bio screen in enterprise) or WW3 lasted several years before going nuclear
It was in 2053. Any interrnational conflict happening in 2032 wasn't a nuclear exchange.
We should absolutely ignore that okudagram. It came out of nowhere and seemingly contradicts dialogue from Star Trek: First Contact.
