Does the United States still exist in the 23rd century?

[danellis]

That's a us postal service zip code.

The US Postal Service still exists, in the age of Transporters?

In the UK, postcodes (our equivalent of zip codes) are used for navigation as well as just the post (I might enter B604BE into my sat nav if I wanted to visit that part of the Midlands). Very occasionally they get used colloquially (the Wimbledon tennis tournament is fairly often referred to as SW19 - its postcode).

Why would Bev call the US an "Old Nation State" if it was still a thing in the 24th century?.

Perhaps to indicate that she was referring to the "old nation state" rather than to the administrative area that any of her contemporaries would have understood by the phrase.

The "United States of America" is a purely artificial entity and as such makes no geographical sense: it excludes areas of land that are physically attached to it (Canada) and includes areas of land that are detached from it (Alaska or Hawaii). We know from TNG that the country has gained two states compared to 2022. We *don't* know where those states are: were two of the "non-state" parts of it "statified" (perhaps DC and Puerto Rico?); did two existing states split into four (Texas and California perhaps); perhaps adjacent territories got absorbed (one way of dealing with all those Mexican immigrants lol); or did two attached territories join up?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_S2r58B4RKA

The Union Jack is a composite of the Northern Irish Flag, the Scottish Flag, and English Flag.

If Northern Ireland Secedes, or if Scotland secedes, No Longer So Great Britain has to find a new Flag.

When first created, the Union Flag only represented the countries then in the Union: England and Scotland. AS such it had the English George Cross superimposed on the Scottish Andrew Saltire. The Irish Saltire was added 200 years later. Presumably, if England and Ireland were to gain their independence from Scotland the process could be reversed and it would become a red cross over a red saltire on a white field.

Just as post-monarchical countries like Germany and Greece still have members of their former royal families who claim titles I'm sure Trek Era Britain also has Windsors who claim ties to a King or Queen from centuries before.

I've read (admittedly fictional) stories where people claim to be "next in line" to the French throne, I 've read this enough times that I imagine there are real people who do so - even if without any expectation of receiving their "inheritance."

Absolutely, but with the EU each country still has a President or PM, plus (I'm guessing) local government leaders. I'd say that on a united Earth, "member countries" would at least have a representative, if not a President. Hopefully smaller government can work.

The entities that comprise the EU are independent states, they just recognise, generally, the EU as having a large degree of authority over them.

dJE

 

[Tuskin38]

n the UK, postcodes (our equivalent of zip codes) are used for navigation as well as just the post (I might enter B604BE into my sat nav if I wanted to visit that part of the Midlands).

You can do the same with Canadian postal codes and American Zip Codes in google maps.
I don't know if any GPS units take them, I've never actually tried.

 

[Arpy]

I think the US was lost during the Third World War. In my head canon the Eastern Coalition is the eastern seaboard states of the former US. There were multiple stabs at one-world government and maybe the US was a member as a whole at one point or another, then broke apart into smaller components. Iowa could be larger/smaller than we know it and one of the states that rose to greater prominence for having escaped more severe nuclear bombardment. Maybe it vied for power with Cascadia in the radioactive aftermath of the post apocalyptic horror. Wretched BosWash, all but gone, lobbing missiles at anyone trying to move on past their once gleaming brilliance. …it’s a wonder these people ever got out of the 21st Century.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I think the US was lost during the Third World War.

Unlikely.

The war took place in 2053, yet a TNG episode features a US flag with 52 states which places that flag anywhere from 2033 to 2079.

So the US must have survived the war.

Remember, Riker said there were "very few governments left". He didn't say there were none left.

 

[cooleddie74]

And the U.S.A. still exists in 2154 based on the Klingon forehead arc of ENT.

 

[Guy Gardener]

the Easter Coalition is

Awesome.

The Easter Bunny went nuclear.

 

[cooleddie74]

Two humans already went nuclear on him.

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[Arpy]

The war took place in 2053, yet a TNG episode features a US flag with 52 states which places that flag anywhere from 2033 to 2079.

China considers Taiwan a part of it. Maybe the US refused to admit it had fractured. The flag didn’t change during the Civil War either.

So the US must have survived the war.

Remember, Riker said there were "very few governments left". He didn't say there were none left.

Who said anything about there being no governments left? Just not ours. Jadzia loved Rio…maybe Brazil became the superpower in this hemisphere…while we were suffering radiation sickness and spiraling toward extinction in the north.

And the U.S.A. still exists in 2154 based on the Klingon forehead arc of ENT.

Whaddaya mean?

 

[Arpy]

Awesome.

The Easter Bunny went nuclear.

We shouldn’t have gone after its eggs.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Whaddaya mean?

Harris (Malcolm's Section 31 contact) listed a United States address for their meeting.

 

[Imaus]

Honestly I lean towards the US basically dissolving into the states after WW3 as a sort of proto-nucleus or the first-level administrative units for a New United Nations/Early United Earth.

States are bloody massive, Metropole France is smaller than Texas, the UK can fit in Mississippi.

Given that Alaska, Iowa, and so on exist, but no mention is ever given to the US as a whole, I could easily see them just saying 'we're now states of United Earth, the UE president is *our* President, our governors are only one level down from that president, and our senators (or MPs) go directly to the UE Senate/Ministry'.

Think about it. It would explain why the US seems to have such a stranglehold on UE affairs.

 

[Arpy]

Harris (Malcolm's Section 31 contact) listed a United States address for their meeting.

I don’t remember that: where is it exactly? Is it dialogue or a screengrab?

For the time being I’m still thinking it a fractured United States. Rome changed quite a lot in shape over the course of its existence yet still thought of itself as the one and only Rome.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Postal workers are crazy.

I could see the US postal service persisting during the dark ages and then in 2050 telling the World Govenment to go fuc# itself.

 

[Tuskin38]

I don’t remember that: where is it exactly? Is it dialogue or a screengrab?

 

[Arpy]

^ cool. Maybe Cascadia rejoined the Union. Heck I wonder if San Francisco is the new capital after the loss of BosWash et al.

Also let’s not forget Janeway’s line about LA in “Future’s End”: “After the Hermosa quake in 2047 this entire region sank under two hundred metres of water. It became one of the world's largest coral reefs, home to thousands of different marine species.”

 

[Tuskin38]

Also let’s not forget Janeway’s line about LA in “Future’s End”: “After the Hermosa quake in 2047 this entire region sank under two hundred metres of water. It became one of the world's largest coral reefs, home to thousands of different marine species.”

She never said the entire city did, just where they were, which was pretty far west and north from the city centre. There's also a fault line near by that would include that beach, but not the city. We saw the city centre was mostly still intact in 2401.

^ cool. Maybe Cascadia rejoined the Union.

Cascadia never existed in Star Trek.
Also if it did, it probably wouldn't include California, Cascadia is usually just the pacific northwest.

 

[Arpy]

She never said the entire city did, just where they were, which was pretty far west and north from the city centre. There's also a fault line near by that would include that beach, but not the city. We saw the city centre was mostly still intact in 2401.

She said “this entire region.” Interpret that as a three-block radius around her if you like, but I’m thinking it’s a good chunk of Southern California.

Cascadia never existed in Star Trek.

Lol prove it.

Also if it did, it probably wouldn't include California, Cascadia is usually just the pacific northwest.

Depends on which map you look at. Some include parts of Northern California. And, of course, the dream of the Greater Cascadian Alliance was a powerful one in the post-apocalyptic horror.

 

[Tuskin38]

but I’m thinking it’s a good chunk of Southern California.

Your interpretation doesn't hold up to what has been shown in canon.

Spoiler: Picard Season 2

https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1507249587278389254
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Lol prove it.

You first, you're the one who claimed they rejoined the union.

 

[Arpy]

Your interpretation doesn't hold up to what has been shown in canon.

How so?

You first, you're the one who claimed they rejoined the union.

I’m conjecturing as to what might have gone on in those dark times when a third of the human species was lost. It’s kind of silly to think that the country survives more or less as it looks to day (or more glorious, with 52 stars) after that when there’s a good chance we’re heading into a Civil War now in this time of peace and plenty because Left and Right think they’re oh so right. Then again Trek is pretty silly to think we survive a nuclear war like that at all. It could take a hundred years after, but the survivors wouldn’t ultimately make it either.

That said, you said Cascadia never existed in Star Trek. That’s a definitive statement, so prove it. Or you can say you don’t think it did, and offer a another vision. Please.

 

[Tuskin38]

How so?

I edited my post to add an example.

Janeway also referred to it a as the Hermosa quake, the fault line near Hermosa beach is not that big. Sure maybe it could domino into bigger quakes (Is that how that works).