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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x04 - "Memento Mori"

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Pubert said:
But in Star Trek the voyage home they went on about the "colorful" language if the 28tg century. Language changes overtime. Even in a few decades. Roddenberry got it right when he left out most 20th century jargon. Imagine if Kirk on TOS said "we just finished a mission. Pretty damn cool man. " that would have sounded out of place. Niw they say things like "piss off" and "f off." Sorry but the earlier shows got it right when they changed the style of language a bit. Will it really be that way in the 23td century? Who knows but I'm a future setting story it's pretty cool when they go through the trouble to kind of address changing language.
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The signal from the future we're receiving on our TVs and devices has already been translated by their universal translators into our primitive 21st century lingo so we can comprehend it, including the jargon and expletives. No one speaks Federationese yet. (Remember "Dominionese" from DS9?) :guffaw:

Trek's been doing this since the beginning, as others have pointed out.
 
Pubert said:
That's because they are basically a early form of pure artificial intelligence. You can actually converse with the computer. And no Alexa is not that sophisticated.
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No it's not.

It's because that's what those making the show thought a 23rd-Century computer might sound like in the 1960s.

And they were wrong.

Alexa/Siri don't speak in a monosyllabic monotone or go chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka-chunka when you ask them where the nearest ATM is.
 
The head-canon I came up with to deal with all the technological anachronisms that invariably come up in Trek (particularly TOS), is that we had a bit of a "technology reset" after WW3. A lot of technology was lost or destroyed, causing our tech to go in somewhat different directions than we'd had going pre-WW3.
 
Prior to DSC, does anyone actually ‘converse’ with the ships’ computer?

They just ask it stuff or tell it to do stuff. It’s as much an early AI as Siri or Alexa.
 
Serveaux said:
Tell me how people hundreds of years in the future will speak.

Please do.

Read some Elizabethan English. Go to, oh, YouTube, and listen to how it was probably pronounced.

Then, explain why anyone should believe that people hundreds of years from now will even speak a version of English - if they even speak English - that we could understand.

It's an absurd complaint.

I'm glad these people are ignoring all that shit.
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What’s with the aggression? Of all the complaints I’ve seen on the board over the years I hardly think the consideration of linguistics in different time periods qualifies as “absurd”. In fact, I think it would make an interesting thread topic in itself.

Something 90’s Trek did well, especially DS9, which I think was overall the best written, was its refined use of language—and it wasn’t at all stilted to me. In fact, I think the dialogue was generally better written than NuTrek and sometimes even quite beautifully so. It was considerately constructed and felt timeless in a way it wouldn’t should the writers start slipping in Gen Z idioms and phrases. I’m not saying it’s a big problem, but it’s still something I think the writers should watch. Why this is such a controversial statement I have no idea.
 
Richard S. Ta said:
Prior to DSC, does anyone actually ‘converse’ with the ships’ computer?

They just ask it stuff or tell it to do stuff. It’s as much an early AI as Siri or Alexa.
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Not that I am aware of, unless Voyager’s EMH counts? Or even Data? Though he is separate from the ship. Data did sing to the ship once as they made music together.

*EDIT*

The Enterprise did become sentient in Masks.
 
Pubert said:
But in Star Trek the voyage home they went on about the "colorful" language if the 28tg century. Language changes overtime
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Most "colorful" language has been with us for centuries and shows no sign of disappearing
Pubert said:
Imagine if Kirk on TOS said "we just finished a mission. Pretty damn cool man. " that would have sounded out of place. Niw they say things like "piss off" and "f off." Sorry but the earlier shows got it right when they changed the style of language a bit.
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Yes, he'd never say something like "Let's get the hell out of here" or "Go to the devil"
Flux Capacitor said:
All of this talk about language and how people would or should talk in the future reminds me how much I liked how characters talked in Firefly. People in the future likely won't talk the way we used to or the way we do now so they might as well talk in a made up way.
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Firefly's dialog always sounded very contemporary to me. Chinese curses include.
 
Fuckin' A.

It's wild how good this show is.
Sorry if I repeat what others have already said, I didn't read all pages.
IMO it's the episodic nature of this show. This one was a full-blown action/disaster movie. And a great one at that. It's the first full-on bad-guy episode of SNW. The first true "battle" episode. And it got everything right. A few (uncollected) thoughts:

  • What makes this work for me is how much I love the whole cast. I like some more than others. But I feel like I know almost everyone already as good as any other Trek crew, maybe better than some
  • IMO it was a good idea to end such a "ship vs. ship" episode with a trick to run away instead of defeating the enemy main ship. Surviving is victory.
  • The one big mistake was IMO to NOT show the Gorn themselves. I think it's good to hold back on them a bit as a surprise for later on. But there should have had been at least one Gorn in the shadows, or in the flashback, at a central point in the episode. Just something to let our imagination run already a bit wild and give a short teaser for things to come
  • The other mistake was Pike "knowing his fate" in such a detail (I compained about that already in the other episode) - With that in mind, a lot of the suspense in this episode is gone. Not just because we (the viewer) know the Enterprise will not be destroyed - but even one of the characters himself! - IMO it would have been much more powerfull if in Pike's mind this could have been the moment that crippled him?
A few other nitpicks:
Love the small Gorn ships. Don't like the design of the big bad one, needs more of recognizable shape. No feelings at all about the re-imagination of the Gorn. I love the TOS episode, but fine with a small reboot. Just hope they will look right (I'm hoping they get te insectoid eyes though!) . Had exactly the right amount of blood & violence in it (I HATED all the pornographic close-ups of guts, gore and blood on early DIS & PIC) - this here felt very real, and more powerfull. I dig the Gorn as the main antagonists for a prequel show (hell - they should have been in the JJmovies, not just a game!). Love how black holes now look more like "real" ones, similar to "Interstellar". Having everyone sweat was a nice filming trick to make everything look more intense. Wish Hemmer's antenna would move like Shrans on ENT. Love the shot of the damaged Enterprise in the end.

Overall - I gave it 9/10. But only because I'm notoriously lowballing to keep my 10s for the episodes that truly surprise or overwhelm me. This one was fucking fantastic & everything I wished for/expected from a Star Trek space battle episode.
 
Richard S. Ta said:
Prior to DSC, does anyone actually ‘converse’ with the ships’ computer?

They just ask it stuff or tell it to do stuff. It’s as much an early AI as Siri or Alexa.
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For all intents & purposes, conversations with holodeck/holosuite characters were conversations with the computer, but no one really acknowledged that, in-show, except when it got them into trouble. (Geordi, Barclay, Nog, etc.) But it still didn't change how they talked to the ship/station computer.

Bev also chatted with the computer in "Remember Me," but that was only after all her other options disappeared (literally). The computer didn't really chat back, aside from basic information.
 
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Photoman15 said:
Justified? I think an eviction notice first would have been better. Destroying (killing everyone there) on first encounter may have not been the way to go
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Especially since the Gorn had so much information available to them on the Federation and Starfleet. They were able to understand Federation language very well; andsimulated a live conversation between Kirk and Commadore Travers; so they would have known that the Federation prefers diplomacy more than military force when dealing with disputes.
 
Belz... said:
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Data does, and even the computer is annoyed with him.
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That scene always makes me laugh but also roll my eyes at the absurdity of it.

I always did like the the times when a character had to tell the computer they weren't talking to it when it gives a response to a question not directed at it. Heh, I've done that to Google on my phone a few times.
 
Sounds like they’re also experiencing some Cockney rhyming slang in there along with the Gen Z parlance. “Slower than a Boomer”. :lol: I need to remember that one.
 
Travis Mayweather would be deeply offended.

Travis.

Mayweather. Remember he...oh, just forget about it.
 
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