Justified? I think an eviction notice first would have been better. Destroying (killing everyone there) on first encounter may have not been the way to go
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x04 - "Memento Mori"
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Justified? I think an eviction notice first would have been better. Destroying (killing everyone there) on first encounter may have not been the way to go
Speaking in outdated dialogue or speech patterns in the 23rd century would be a bit like us talking today as they did in 16th century England, using old fashioned terminology and slang. But in some ways this could be good for language; we could all walk around quoting Shakespearean sonnets to each other instead to make casual conversation. Outdated speech patterns, dialogue and colloquialisms would definitely have there place on a starships holodeck though. When the crew is role playing or re enacting historical events they can pretend to be the characters and speak like they would for fun. Unfortunately, Pike’s Enterprise does not have a holodeck as they have not been invented yet. They could still speak in such ways every now and again for giggles like when Spock said a few funny things based on earth slang in TOS and the movies. But how do we know that future speech patterns in Star Trek have not been affected by the crew reading centuries of books, picking up speech patterns from their library of required reading? If there was a really good author in the 20th century for example, maybe everyone in the Federation or Starfleet studies their books? This would lead to the speech patterns of this person or persons being imprinted in to the minds of those who read those books which would then subconsciously make it’s way in to every day conversations as they speak? Of course, language would also be acquired through listening to the adults around them as children grow up and are educated in Federation school’s.
Back when I was watching Deadwood I found my speech pattern changing a bit based on the dialogue of that show (without being laced with the obligatory “fuck” or “cocksucker” that was so common, of course). It was brilliantly written, and occasionally one of my coworkers would say something like, “I understand what you meant, but I’ve never heard anyone talk like that before”. One of my favorite lines that I still use to this day is, “An opinion solicited is not equal to one freely given”. You see what I mean…
Ive had coaches use for the win since the late 70’s. I can’t speak before that because I wasn’t part of a competing sport before that. Now I do agree it’s used more in recent years but it’s not like it’s never been used in prior years. And certainly no where near as jarring as the hippie episode of TOS or even “remember where we parked” in Voyage Home as they had never used park before that , land was. Term used.
I actually think that I might accidentally have a catalogue of speech patterns in my head from Star Trek. I usually speak like Seven if Nine by default, but depending on the situation I can subconsciously summon other characters. For example I think that I can also do a good Data when I need to and an exceptional Picard! I think that I Janeway sometimes too. I might start Piking after all of this! 
Tell me how people hundreds of years in the future will speak.
Please do.
Read some Elizabethan English. Go to, oh, YouTube, and listen to how it was probably pronounced.
Then, explain why anyone should believe that people hundreds of years from now will even speak a version of English - if they even speak English - that we could understand.
It's an absurd complaint.
I'm glad these people are ignoring all that shit.
I learned English in part by watching TNG, which is why sometimes my "S"s are pronounced like Patrick Stewart!I actually think that I might accidentally have a catalogue of speech patterns in my head from Star Trek. I usually speak like Seven if Nine by default, but depending on the situation I can subconsciously summon other characters. For example I think that I can also do a good Data when I need to and an exceptional Picard! I think that I Janeway sometimes too. I might start Piking after all of this!
I hate it. Always did.Technobabble is cool. I talk it all the time to my work mates and they love it.
I think that I learnt English properly by watching and reading about Star Trek too when I was a child. I was never taught it properly at school! They probably *hated* my Star Trek impressions!
My high school teacher must've thought I was mentally challenged when I spent a day in my Pakled speech phase.I think that I learnt English properly by watching and reading about Star Trek too when I was a child. I was never taught it properly at school! They probably *hated* my Star Trek impressions!
Have you ever had to do an angry/passionate Sisko?
But Trek doesn’t and hasn’t treated language accurately, ever.
It’s utterly not reasonable that ever human settlement is going to use the same idioms or often the same accent.
Ccmpare that to English speaking nations on Earth today. Different regional accents different idioms. Even for rather small countries let alone larger ones.
With many worlds with humans, spread over vast distance and with hundreds of years of time you should naturally see massive differences. And over that period of time who knows what might become in fashion for that region.
No, thank the gods.
No one has argued that Star Trek's language should be accurate.
Sometimes they didn't.
Usually they do.
Anyone complaining SNW is robbed of tension because they know the ship won't be destroyed or main characters won't die must feel a similar lack of tension when watching every episode of TOS/TAS, every episode of TNG and DS9 barring one for each series, every episode of Voyager and all but the finale of Enterprise.
Star Trek isn't that kind of show. Never has been.
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That's because they are basically a early form of pure artificial intelligence. You can actually converse with the computer. And no Alexa is not that sophisticated.
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Are you seriously suggesting that early forms of pure artificial intelligence will somehow speak less naturally than purely algorithmic machines?
You're grasping at straws.
I mean, no offense, but is there anything in TOS that you won't defend? There is no reason for an A.I. to have that weird 1950s robot voice, and especially loud clunking machinery sounds. It's like something out of The Jetsons.
Re: outdated dialogue. I actually love some of that. The X-Men's Beast's "oh my stars and garters" is part of my general speaking patterns, and I like to compliment people with "you're the cat's meow" sometimes.