They completely ruined Star Trek universe for me. The Gorn are not accurate at all to the FASA rules and no one used the appropriate starship identifying guide at all!
Ruined. Ruined I say!
Ruined. Ruined I say!
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x04 - "Memento Mori"
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I really enjoyed the FASA game and lore, but the character creation rules were a nightmare.
Wait, people used character creators? I thought it was just for ships
Solid episode, tense and nicely executed. There admittedly wasn’t much meat to the plot, and it was overly reminiscent of “Balance of Terror” mixed with “Arena”, but it worked and the characters are compelling.
Two minor complaints. Firstly, the dialogue sounds too contemporary at times. I never expected to hear the words “for the win” in Star Trek, and I really never want to hear the phrase “we/you/I GOT this” in Trek again. DISC has been guilty of that too. It’s far too 2022 California sounding. The former should have been weeded out the first draft (it wasn’t cute, it was jarring: I doubt anyone will use the words “for the win” in 10-20 years anymore than people still say “totes” and “amazeballs” now) and the latter can be replaced by “we/you/I can do this”. 90s Trek used language in a precise and universalistic way without contemporary colloquialisms slipping in that would date the show fast.
Secondly, at an aesthetic level, I find they’re using far too much contrast visually—both interior and exterior shots. Maybe this episode was particularly bad because the ship was in the dark most of the time, and I was watching it on my laptop, but it felt overdone, and the special effects sequences were also quite hard for me to make out because contrast felt like it had been dialled up to 2000%.
Aside from that this was an engaging and entertaining episode.
I also have a huge crush on Ethan Peck. Just thought I’d put that out there.
Two minor complaints. Firstly, the dialogue sounds too contemporary at times. I never expected to hear the words “for the win” in Star Trek, and I really never want to hear the phrase “we/you/I GOT this” in Trek again. DISC has been guilty of that too. It’s far too 2022 California sounding. The former should have been weeded out the first draft (it wasn’t cute, it was jarring: I doubt anyone will use the words “for the win” in 10-20 years anymore than people still say “totes” and “amazeballs” now) and the latter can be replaced by “we/you/I can do this”. 90s Trek used language in a precise and universalistic way without contemporary colloquialisms slipping in that would date the show fast.
Secondly, at an aesthetic level, I find they’re using far too much contrast visually—both interior and exterior shots. Maybe this episode was particularly bad because the ship was in the dark most of the time, and I was watching it on my laptop, but it felt overdone, and the special effects sequences were also quite hard for me to make out because contrast felt like it had been dialled up to 2000%.
Aside from that this was an engaging and entertaining episode.
I also have a huge crush on Ethan Peck. Just thought I’d put that out there.
Well I didn't use them, but I did read them, and they were bad. I mean, I get where they were going with it, but having to first create the character (already a complicated proposal) and then do all their academy years and tours of duty was wayyyyy too complicated.Wait, people used character creators? I thought it was just for ships
If there were a complaint I were to fling out there it'd be that they get too flamboyant with the camera work sometimes. It almost feels like all of dutch angles in Battlefield Earth (which, oddly, actually brings up a terrible memory just thinking of that movie).
In the first episode it was the camera zoom around the back of the transporter here twice, TWICE, they started a scene with the camera upside down and then as they zoom out they turn the camera right-side up (I dunno, kind of like a weird variation of the Hitchcock Zoom?) (Once with the guy running down the corridor about to be sealed off and then when starting the scene in the shuttle)
It all just seems un-needed and silly.
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Agreed. It was that sort of nonsense that prevented Harvey Hart and Lawrence Dobkin from being invited back.
It's funny, but TOS doesn't look obsolete to me either. Intellectually, I know it must be. But it looks like perfection.
Of course, there's no way they could use that look now. In fact, if they had modern materials and processes back then, they'd wouldn't have gone with that look either. But they did what they could with what was available.
I’ve never understood this complaint, but I’ll bet credits to navy beans I’ll hear it again.
I think it's because the TOS and TNG eras tended to stick with neutral, timeless speech to avoid being too trendy. NewTrek seems like some of it will feel dated, dialogue-wise, much sooner.
TOS seemed very rooted in the lingo of the twenty years or more that proceeded it.
Do you have any specific examples? Aside from the hippies in "The way to Eden", that is.
I can't say if I can think of any time dialogue in TOS stood out as being from any decade. I think they closest TNG gets to feeling rooted in the speech of the 80s/90s is the "PC" way of speaking, things like Data insisting on being called an "artificial lifeform."
Here, though, the way some of the younger characters talk does feel a little too contemporary which will stand out if people are still watching reruns of the show in 30-50 years like we do with TNG and TOS.
That's an absurd complaint.
I never want to hear the "stilted Star Trek language," as a staff writer at TNG once called it, ever again. And the success of this show, and STD and the other modern Trek productions guarantees that we'll never have to, again.
And get off my lawn!
It's one you disagree with but it's not absurd. What's absurd is to expect characters in 250 years to use current memes.
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I'm not sure that's to do with 80s "PC-ness" as much as it is to do with Data having a pedantic and overly technical manner of speaking. Everyone else seems content to just refer to him as an android.
Eh, I used that particular turn of a phrase for a reason
it's rooted in the shipboard life of the 19th and 20th Centuries.
Here's one from the Cage
Or WNMHGB
In that case, I suggest you watch a show set in the current day, because it so happens that Star Trek is set in a different time period.