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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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Honestly, I think that whatever makes Namor a villain won't be something irredeemable, I think the MCU are going to want to make Namor into a more heroic character at some point. I could see him being involved in T'Challa's death, but maybe its him getting framed, or in a situation where its not black and white. I really don't think they're going to go with the comic thing where Namor floods Wakanda and that leads to war, if only because even the comics have had a hard time trying to get Namor away from that event because it made him a bit too much of a villain (and he at least had the excuse of being possessed at the time).

That's just a guess though, but it feels like a waste to either make him a total villain, although I suppose Loki has proven that you can do a lot of evil stuff and still get at least some redemption in the MCU.

He has serious anger issues, but he's not a full on villain. The things he does in the name of Atlantis usually really do benefit Atlantis.
 
He has serious anger issues, but he's not a full on villain. The things he does in the name of Atlantis usually really do benefit Atlantis.

I mean, he murdered a whole lot of Wakandans in the comics by flooding them for basically no reason (AvX was really badly written). They even had to let T'Challa literally chop off Namor's head, then go back in time and save Namor for weird reasons, to try to get Namor out of the irredeemable villain hole he got stuck into by AvX. Also, he tries to invade the surface, sometimes for no reason except he feels like it, what has to be every year or two in universe, and currently in the comics he is just an outright warlike villain, so Namor definitely doesn't restrict himself to only doing bad things if he thinks they benefit Atlantis.

That's why I think that the MCU will treat him a bit better as a villain, and probably not take him far enough n the villain direction that they can't redeem him either in the movie or at some point after.
 
In the recent-ish Atlantis Attacks comic storyline, Namor interacted with the (new) Agents of ATLAS - particularly with Wave (Pearl Pangan), a relatively new character from the Philippines.

I'd mentioned the (new) Agents of Atlas in other contexts, but in this case I wonder if Wave might appear in whichever MCU project were to introduce Namor himself.

Actually, the smartphone game MARVEL Future Fight introduced both characters at the same time:

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On a side note, given that one of the key aspects of Wave's story is her being from Cebu (as opposed to the Manila-based Triumph Division, with whom she has had a somewhat difficult relationship), I'd hope that they would be able to cast someone who speaks Cebuano for the role.
 
Depends. When it's just window dressing, it really doesn't matter. Some of my favourite things ever has ropey as fuck special and visual effects (even for the time.) Sometimes that's part of the charm!
However, when an effects element is central to the story, either a main character or plot point, bad effects can kill even a good movie.

For example, imagine for a second the movie Predator . . . if they kept the original wobbly head lobster costume they shoved Jean-Claude Van Damme into, instead of hiring Stan Winston at the 11th hour to come in and redo the whole thing from the ground up. I think it's safe to say that movie wouldn't have landed, or be remembered as well as it is today if the pivotal reveal was *that* wonky as all buggery rubber suit.

Also in this case all we've got to really discuss about the show right now is the trailer . . . and 60% of said trailer was wonky as all buggery deepfake shots. On top of which is the fact that these shows were advertised to be of the same production standard as the Marvel movies, which this clearly isn't, so I think it's fair game for criticism.
Yeah, I guess if it's really bad, and really important, it could have a little more of an effect on the overall production.
 
I don't understand why people get so obsessive about the quality of special effects. Sure photorealistic effects are cool, but as long as the rest of the movie is good, they could be 8bit characters running around onscreen and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
Same. VFX are a dime a dozen for me. If I'm looking at the effects and thinking "oh, what nice effects" or "what bad effects " then the movie has failed on a fundamental level to engage me with stuff that actually matters.
 
What if they use an extremely "Evil Namor" to set-up the Secret Invasion and we have him killed at the end and revealed to be a Skrull attempting to cause chaos by having Atlantis/Wakanda go to war with each other?

We could possibly see Secret Invasion tv series come out at the end of this year which would be after Wakanda Forever
 
I like Namor best when he is neither a hero nor a villain, but acting in the best interest of Atlantis. When his goals align with the heroes he's on their side, but he never really joins the villains even though he can be against the heroes. I believe this is the direction that the MCU will take Wanda. She may work with the protagonists on occasion, but she will never be an Avenger again.
 
I don't watch shows for VFX. Pointless exercise. It's all fake.

I appreciate visual effects, but as an art form. Art doesn't have to duplicate reality exactly, but to represent it. Ray Harryhausen's stop-motion creatures never looked real, but his animation gave them life and personality and that made them engaging to watch. The miniature cityscapes in the Ultraman franchise are obviously miniatures, but they're so meticulously, lovingly detailed and creative that I admire them as an art form in their own right. It's not about whether it's photorealistic; it's about appreciating the artistry and imagination and love and care that the creators put into the work.
 
I hadn't heard them before this, but apparently there are stories going around that Bryce Dalla Howard is going to play Sue Storm/Invisible Woman in the new Fantastic Four, but she's already kind of denied them.
She was doing press for Jurrasic World: Dominion, and a fan handed her a Invisible Woman Funko Pop! to sign, and she said the stories were "total rumors", but then she did sign the Pop! "just for fun".
That almost sounds to me like it could be a non-denial denial, since just because something is a "rumor" doesn't necessarily mean it isn't true.
 
worked well enough to be believable.

Um...

I hadn't heard them before this, but apparently there are stories going around that Bryce Dalla Howard is going to play Sue Storm/Invisible Woman in the new Fantastic Four, but she's already kind of denied them.
She was doing press for Jurrasic World: Dominion, and a fan handed her a Invisible Woman Funko Pop! to sign, and she said the stories were "total rumors", but then she did sign the Pop! "just for fun".
That almost sounds to me like it could be a non-denial denial, since just because something is a "rumor" doesn't necessarily mean it isn't true.

Maybe she could direct it.
 
She was doing press for Jurrasic World: Dominion, and a fan handed her a Invisible Woman Funko Pop! to sign, and she said the stories were "total rumors", but then she did sign the Pop! "just for fun".
I don't suppose Funko were cheeky enough to just have an empty box?
 
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