Honestly if you couldn't tell the difference it could be sentience. There's no proper test for that even in the real world, is there? I mean a foolproof test.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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In truth. The most famous, the Turing Test is unreliable. Some programs can beat some people's perceptions and some people cannot.
My supposition is that if you cannot tell the difference between real sentience, however you define that, and a simulation of sentience, is it still a simulation? How do you draw that line?
That is essentially the conclusion that Philippa louvoir came to when she made her judgment in The Measure of a Man.
It was at least on the way to doing so in Emergence...then died.
The emergent life form in that episode was kind of an evolutionary step on the way to what we see with Zora in Season 4 of DSC.
What would have been super daring would be if the Enterprise D had actually become a true permanently sentient lifefirm in "Emergence". And at some point, it beams everyone off (safely) and flies off into the starry void by itself.
Then, they just have to introduce the Enterprise E a little early, or get another Galaxy class to sub for it.
You can't tell me that wouldn't have been a mind-blowing sendoff.
Then, they just have to introduce the Enterprise E a little early, or get another Galaxy class to sub for it.
You can't tell me that wouldn't have been a mind-blowing sendoff.
I would have had the USS Enterprise D be refitted within TNG to include the three warp Nacelles and have the entire thing revamped in the last season. It would have been seen within the movies, but it would also have been destroyed in the same manner. I also think that it would have been interesting if Lore actually managed to convince Data to go along with him in the end.
That would have worked ok , though perhaps the D could have become fully sentient in 'Emergence' and continue with the crew like that... and in Generations, the writers could have presented a more 'viable' threat and have the D sacrifice itself to protect the crew, or they defeat the baddies, but its found the the D can't take the crew home for whatever reason and decides (with Picard's agreement) to fly off (leaving the crew on Veridian III with shuttles, etc. and signaling SF to come get them).
The D survives but is no longer in the picture, and we still see the crew being picked up by SF ships as we did in the movie, but as a closing shot, the D is seen emerging from behind a nearby moon (making sure the crew was indeed picked up) and with that final note, we see it warping away in a different direction.
You know that would have been awesome and Star Trek could have then had the D be the progenitor of a race of sentient starships
I actually much prefer the Enterprise E to the D. I wish they did an Enterprise F series instead of Picard or Discovery.
Don't jump on me if I hurt feelings.
1. There are enough inconsistencies and inactive time to ditch the old 'canon' (as a set in stone rulebook)and create a new consistently reliable canon that also allows in depth development of races/factions.
2. If a writer drops a race or planet with no detailed information; They officially allow a writer willing to build that aspec that right.
3. Cardassians would have never joined the Federation, regardless of the reconstruction aid the UFP provided. Consider Cardassia as Russia and UFP as the U.S. There is too much distrust, animosity, and conflicting values among the two entities to peacefully submit to the other.
1. There are enough inconsistencies and inactive time to ditch the old 'canon' (as a set in stone rulebook)and create a new consistently reliable canon that also allows in depth development of races/factions.
2. If a writer drops a race or planet with no detailed information; They officially allow a writer willing to build that aspec that right.
3. Cardassians would have never joined the Federation, regardless of the reconstruction aid the UFP provided. Consider Cardassia as Russia and UFP as the U.S. There is too much distrust, animosity, and conflicting values among the two entities to peacefully submit to the other.
Correction: a sentient A.I. is good in Trek if you need a lounge singer that can double as station counselor.
There is no long running franchise with a 'consistently reliable' continuity, so I really wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
That depends entirely on which Cardassians we're talking about.
I've seen this happen enough times now to know that if you reboot something with a long-running continuity that people care about, it doesn't go away, not really. You can't ditch people's memories or attachment to something, or desire to see what happens next instead of what could've happened instead. I think things like Marvel's Ultimate universe and Star Trek's Kelvin Timeline have done a good job of giving people a rebooted simplified continuity while also keeping the original universe running alongside it. And in both cases the original universe carried on just fine. Meanwhile DC Comics have rebooted and unrebooted their characters so much no one even knows what their backstories are anymore.
Never is really long time. Russia and the US have only even existed for a few hundred years.
Ayelborne had vision and the rest of the quadrant wore bifocals.
yes, thank you. That way I may cling to my own head canon and stay in my own reality bubble.
I have never encountered the term racelifted. Interesting. I Need to marinate on this a bit, it’s a complicated topic.
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