Shatner was damn good in the original series, if he hadn't been we wouldn't be sitting here talking about it 55 years later. There was a magic him and Nimoy brought to the screen that Trek has been desperately trying to replicate ever since 1987.
Why is Kirk so revered???
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Shatner was damn good in the original series, if he hadn't been we wouldn't be sitting here talking about it 55 years later. There was a magic him and Nimoy brought to the screen that Trek has been desperately trying to replicate ever since 1987.
Don't forget Kelley!
I like Kelley, but, honestly, never found him that strong of an actor. The show wouldn't have sunk if he was never part of it.
and in the movies!
I really don't get it. Yeah Captain Archer is considered legendary because he was the first. Pike was well respected but didn't seem to have the fame Kirk got even though his missions were just as interesting so far anyway. Also Captain April was the first captain of the Enterprise but we hardly have ever heard of him in the future. Its like he was mostly firgotten. But by the tng era they all talk about Kirk. What's up with that?
Someone beat you to this question. https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/why-is-kirk-so-revered.309894/
Oh. Whoops. Can I delete this? Lol
Which is silly in and of itself.
I remember a poll by U.S.A. “leading historians” who were asked to say who the greatest U.S.A. præsident was and George Washington won by a commanding degree. — What a coincidence that the first was the best, I'm sure this is merely a coincidence and I suppose it takes a great man to keep his slaves so in check and fashion such beautiful false teeth from the teeth he pulled from them.
That they came to such a decision casts serious doubt on their objectivity. Naturally the first is not automatically he best, in fact, he is more likely to be the worst since those after him can learn from his mistakes.
True. Archer was legendary because he was the first but other then that were his missions really more important then other captains? Probably not.
Yeah Kirk was much more caviler then Picard. Probably why I like kirk more. Kirk did use speeches at times also but he really knew how to get down to business.
I mean…the Xindi mission was kinda important.
I dunno. I think with each new iteration of Trek, the writers and producers will--even if unconsciously--strive to make their captain the best one ever. The stakes keep getting raised with each new series, regardless if it's a prequel, sequel, or concurrent series. I wouldn't be surprised if Captain Pike's exploits in SNW eventually will make Kirk's in TOS look tame in comparison (can TPTB of SNW resist having Pike save the Universe and have more first contacts than Kirk did in TOS?).
Archer, not only the first, anybody could have been first.. but he went to be the linchpin of the founding of the federation ( as shown when he was time jacked and the Fed didnt exist)
Kirk saved billions, solar systems, earth, multiple times.
Janeway.. Got lost
Picard.. Best captain during his time
Sisko.. Diplomat, war hero
Pike.. A good captain, so far, but hasn't saved the galaxy yet.
Kirk saved billions, solar systems, earth, multiple times.
Janeway.. Got lost
Picard.. Best captain during his time
Sisko.. Diplomat, war hero
Pike.. A good captain, so far, but hasn't saved the galaxy yet.
Anyone have a tally of how many lives Kirk saved? It's tens of billions, at a minimum.
In case it wasn't obvious enough, the answer to that question is your answer.
Since when was Sisko a diplomat?
Daniels transported Archer into the future which led to the collapse of his society, because he failed to realize how important the latter was to the founding of the U.F.P., which would be about as absurd as not knowing that Julius Cæsar played a pivotal part in the founding of the Roman Empire.
He dealt with the Wormhole aliens (or Prophets), the initial Gamma Quadrant aliens through the Wormhole after DS9 was established, the Bajoran Provisional Government, the Dominion, the Klingons, and the Romulans. Not every diplomatic mission was a first contact, nor even entirely successful--most, however, were just trying to keep already established treaties from falling apart, and even one mission could be considered morally questionable (at best, criminal at worst) if it ever became known to the public.
Sounds like a very liberal definition of "diplomacy" with a few of those examples. The only reason he had any clout with the Bajorans was because he was an icon in their religion. He went to war with the Klingons and the Dominion and was an accessory in the murder of a Romulan senator.
Not at all. They fall within the context of a diplomat--someone sent to talk or negotiate with a foreign power on the behalf of their government. In the part of my post you omitted, I said that not all diplomatic missions involve a first contact or the signing of a new treaty. Some diplomatic missions are about maintaining a status quo, keeping a bad situation from becoming worse, or simply being a representative at the table. Some diplomatic efforts even fail. I'm sure even Ambassador Sarek didn't win them all.
That came later in the series. Initially, he was the commander of the Starfleet team in the post-occupation recovery. A team that was invited by the Bajoran Provisional Government.
Only after diplomacy failed.
Which I also mentioned in my earlier post. Sisko was well aware that he was crossing a line, but his actions (although irreprehensible in morally polite company) did bring the Romulans into the Dominion War and help in the Federation's victory. We can debate the ethics of Sisko's actions long after the cows come home, but nevertheless it was how Sisko established the Federation-Klingon-Romulan Alliance for the war.
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