Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x02 - "Children of The Comet"

[Deks]

one thing i really never liked about Picard (especially early Picard) is he would rather have millions of people die from a preventive disaster then violate the sacred prime directive and people have to twist his arm to do anything sometimes

Getting away with Prime Directive violations was a lot easier in the 23rd century than it is in the 24th I'd imagine... and the P.D. was maybe a bit less defined in terms of WHEN AND HOW can you interfere.
I would imagine that Starfleet tightened up regulations in that regard by the 24th century.

 

[JLBTucker]

sving others lives is a thankless task...no good deed goes unmpunished and all that.
he could just scoot 500 light years away from the place of the accident on oliday on a deserted beach

.....................

 

[JLBTucker]

Getting away with Prime Directive violations was a lot easier in the 23rd century than it is in the 24th I'd imagine... and the P.D. was maybe a bit less defined in terms of WHEN AND HOW can you interfere.
I would imagine that Starfleet tightened up regulations in that regard by the 24th century.

Maybe..... or just questionable writing lol

 

[Gov Kodos]

The TOS prime directive didn't make a quasi religious doctrine out of evolution or conflate social evolution with biological evolution. Besides, the whole thing is just a plot device so someone can say screw the damn thing.

 

[VKORECTU]

And potentially allow people to die in his place.

You said he was supposed to act like a Starfleet captain, but now you seem to have changed your mind, possibly just to continue the argument.[/QUOTE

Let someone else be a injured hero. A young woolworth staff member ran out to stop a shoplifter stealimg a $5 clock and got stabbed and died. A hero but stll very dead and ruined his parants lives who could not get over it.

 

[Belz...]

Maybe..... or just questionable writing lol

I much prefer how the directive was played with in TOS and SNW than TNG. TNG's Prime Directive was so restrictive and ideological that it actually narrowed the writers' options on top of being preachy.

 

[Belz...]

Let someone else be a injured hero.

Exactly what I said: you are applying inconsistent logic with regards to Pike. You want him to be an examplar except when it's inconvenient to your current argument.

 

[JLBTucker]

The TOS prime directive didn't make a quasi religious doctrine out of evolution or conflate social evolution with biological evolution. Besides, the whole thing is just a plot device so someone can say screw the damn thing.

I actually think TOS handled the PD better more often TNG did

 

[JLBTucker]

I much prefer how the directive was played with in TOS and SNW than TNG. TNG's Prime Directive was so restrictive and ideological that it actually narrowed the writers' options on top of being preachy.

Or the shadow of the great bird of the galaxy still loomed over the writers room

 

[Gov Kodos]

I actually think TOS handled the PD better more often TNG did

Yeah, it amounted to their planet, their rules. It didn't prevent interacting with the natives just leave them be as much as possible.

 

[Mudd]

"Screw General Order One" was about my favorite moment in the pilot.

 

[Gov Kodos]

That and the Vulcan version of get a room.

 

[Seven of Five]

The story grabbed me more than last week's so I gave it a 9. This was the tonic I needed after this week's This is Us killed me off.

I loved Uhura's role in this. She was so unsure of herself, yet she came into her own when they realised that the technology was communicating with music when she was singing. Also seeing Spock sing to help to unlock the shield was something else.

Grumpy Hemmer is going to be a good ongoing tonic, as he seems to be channeling McCoy.

I really enjoyed Spock laughing after taking the advice to heart about bad things. Fascinating.

 

[JLBTucker]

Grumpy Hemmer is going to be a good ongoing tonic, as he seems to be channeling McCoy.

Im just glad to see an aenar on screen

And I do like his introduction at the beginning establishing he is perfectly capable of taking care of himself

 

[Belz...]

I really enjoyed Spock laughing after taking the advice to heart about bad things. Fascinating.

I'd like to see Peck's Spock smile a bit more. Nimoy's smiled regularily when he was amused, or puzzled, etc.

 

[Deks]

Maybe..... or just questionable writing lol

We've seen in TOS that Kirk got away with violations of the P.D.
Also, given everything we saw of how UFP admits new alien species in the 23rd century... we can also surmise UFP changed/tightened up the entry requirements as well (aka, a world needs to be technologically advanced/Warp capable, free of any interpersonal fights/problems, and socially it can't have caste systems - that's just a few of the things UFP likely has on the requirement list).

So, its quite likely that the way P.D. was implemented and UFP admitted new member planets in the 23rd century was different vs in the 24th century.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I really liked this episode.

The premise was very Trek to me and very scifi. I really like the musical solution. And the revelation at the end that the comet "knew" that Spock was going to fly through the comet was really interesting. The crew continues to be very enjoyable to watch. Pike is great. I really like his captain style.

I also appreciate that they did not do a big Prime Directive debate about whether they should divert the comet. They just go straight to trying to divert the planet. Pike even mentions to the Shepperds that they don't interfere in development but they still save lives. That makes sense. I never liked the notion that it is a violation of the Prime Directive to even save lives from a natural disaster.

My only (minor) criticism is that the dialogue still feels a bit clunky. It's like they are trying too hard to sound cool or quippy all the time. Not sure if it is the writing, the acting or the directing. But some of the dialogue does not feel natural to me. For example, characters sometimes referring to each other by name but sometimes referring to each other by rank. They were constantly referring to Uhura as "cadet Uhura" but Pike would refer to Ortega as just "Ortega" with no rank.

 

[StarMan]

Story wise, yep - it's very familiar. Didn't really grab my attention. Celia Rose Gooding is doing a great job though; seems quite charming.

- I do hope the quippy dialogue drops off a bit as they settles in.

- Every time I hear Kirk it yanks me out of it.

- The Enterprise manoeuvring thrusters have had some serious upgrades.

It was okay to good. Definitely no complaints about returning to the episodic format.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The prime directive is a living document.

The endless articles are possibly amendments?

Regardless General Order One is constantly being Challenged in Court Martials, and the results of those trials can go either way depending on circumstances, and the document is rewritten.

In the 23rd century, they are allowed to discretely stop natural disasters on prewarp worlds.

In the Kelvin 23rd century they were still allowed to discretely stop natural disasters on prewarp worlds.

In the 24th century they are not allowed to stop natural disasters on prewarp worlds.

Why the change in policy?

2 possible reasons are opportunity and responsibility.

1. If there's a class M world that loses all it's people, that's a world the Federation can take and colonize or mine for resources.

2. They saved a species from a natural disaster, who 50 years later became pure assholes and did something so horrible, that the Federation thinks that saving them was a bad idea and the cost to the universe to keep these assholes around is too much.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

Good.

I agree, but that one little prison cell scene in episode 1 raised a million red flags for me. Pike and Una talk professionally, then La'an comes in and says something like "I hate to interrupt but..." A throwaway joke on the surface, but it felt like a wink-wink from the writers.

sving others lives is a thankless task...no good deed goes unmpunished and all that.

Wrong franchise. (Although I'd argue that's not what the author of the other franchise meant, either.)
Trek is largely about the opposite of that motto.