Yeah, that's the problem...
I don't understand the hate Disco gets / still gets.
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Mr. Mackey hates Disco because it's what replaced Hippies. Hits him where it hurts the most.
It's a shame they didn't want to embrace what Trek's distant future could be, presumably for fear it wouldn't much resemble Star Trek (and be utter, total chaos)
That's not just Trek, but a centuries-old phenomenon. Look at those religions that supposedly are about loving your neighbors as yourself, being kind to strangers, etc, yet often have a minority of some of the most spiteful, hateful followers you could ever imagine, simply because the society at large isn't following their rules (even if the majority of followers isn't too bad).
True enough. I've studied enough history to see the similarities in Trek and religious belief.
Does people really hate DISCO??? It's ridiculous, escapist, very mindless entertainment. Set in its own bizarro - reality and has nothing to do with TOS and its fine. With its already cinematic feel its ready to transition to theatres.
Originally, the spore drive and mycelial network was related to terraforming. The origins story of the spore drive is something that DIS should try to get back to in S5 at some point, and a good way to further explore Stamets.
Its that there is no explanation for it. They do look like descendants of the proto-Klingons as seen in TNG’s “Genesis”. The issue is: why did the Klingons reconstruct their craniums to what seems to be a pre-Kahless look?
I think Burnham is on the cusp of a breakthrough of realising that her upbringing on Vulcan was not good for her. Meaning she will have to turn to the Romulans, who have been more comfortable in expression emotions, for guidance. Which hopefully will introduce Romulan philosophers such as S’task to canon. Or Burnham looks up how Amanda Grayson and Perrin adapted to Vulcan living.
There’s nothing wrong with Tilly swearing. It’s a DIS staple, imo, and the series could use more of it tbh.
Huh? Wasn’t the mirror universe something popularized due to IAMD? And it was something that was capitalized on?
Its more like the first season was suffering from everyone needing to get their ideas in. And all of those ideas being greenlit.
I think that’s due to Lorca’s eyedrops basically rectonning the mirror universe as being light sensitive in the process. How often did we see Empress Georgiou use eyedrops over S2 and S3? Or any of the other mirror universe characters?
Which can be solved by revealing that the Mudd seen in Disco is actually from the Mirror Universe, or from the Confederation timeline
Empress Georgiou was one of the more liked characters. Its in the same vein of how Mirror Hoshi was liked.
Which would be a way to flesh out what happened after ENT ended to explain their rise. A secret organization just doesn’t rise to being a legitimate public arm of the military for no reason. Shit has to happens in order to legitimize them.
It’s established that the Klingons were working on time travel too (possibly due to what they learned from Klaang?) and that it was Section 31 related. Against, this relates to not understanding how and why Section 31 because such a powerful, public force to begin with.
What if Burnham being Spock’s sister turns out to be due to a time traveler stepping on a butterfly and changing things? Just some food for thought.
At this point, these popular characters should return to DIS though their descendants, twin siblings, clones, androids, or Species 8472 impersonating them.
I mean the people who like Empress Georgiou aren't the people who hate DISCO.
And we only have what they have done, not what they might do.
The eye drops were ridiculous, but, no, that wasn't the biggest problem with Lorca. The biggest problem was that all of his questionable behavior was explained by making him from the Evil Universe, which eliminated any possibility of nuance in everything he ever said or did. It rendered him one-dimensional.
That wasn't the worst way in which S1 DISCO undermined character depth. The worst way was in failing to tell the story of placing Burnham in command to deliver a bona fide Vulcan Hello while at the same time telling the story of her receiving punishment far out of proportion with anything she'd actually done. It seems that that degree of rogue behavior in the protagonist was something that TPTB could not stomach, and interestingly that creative cowardice can explain the decision not to allow Lorca to have been from the regular universe. They tried to split the difference and treat situations as if they were shooting that high, but, no, the cheats they put in place (Lorca's evil is explained by making him from the Evil Universe and let's punish Burnham severely but not let her actually do anything truly shocking, however logical and pragmatically appropriate it might have been) completely undermined the efforts to present nuanced situations, which resulted in a nonsensical mess of both plot and story.
That's the short version of what I mean by "bad writing."
Okay so you think rendering your CO unconscious and attempting to launch an unprovoked attack wouldn't merit imprisonment?
Well, that sends you to the brig right away and takes you out of the rest of the episode. But that didn't happen, she was forgiven for that, and instead blamed later for things she wasn't responsible for.
Well that's kind of because if she actually was guilty, she should be in prison for the rest of her life.
Sort of like the A-team are on the run for a crime they didn't commit.
The fact that Starfleet scapegoats Burnham for the war makes them look petty and incompetent.
While we're at it, there's no reason why Georgiou should allow Burnham to accompany her to the Klingon ship, unless she thinks Burnham doesn't deserve to spend any more time in the brig. There were any number of other officers available who didn't need to go to the brig to await trial for insubordination and attempting to use deadly force without authorization. And why the fuck didn't Georgiou take more people?
Yeah. Which is why she needs Lorca to give her a chance.
But of course Starfleet doesn't know the Klingons always intended to start a war and only Spock figures that out.
I mean, because she thinks of Burnham like a daughter and desperately wants to get her out of the situation that she's dug a hole for herself on. Basically, many Starfleet captains have done this and is hoping to save her by preventing a Klingon-Federation War.
I mean, I thought that was obvious.
I just started PIC S02 (haven't watched it yet) and found myself strangely in the mood for some DSC while watching. I think after PIC S02 is done I might marathon DSC S03 again and then watch S04 for the first time.
Eh in theory I was on board with the Klingons getting another redesign. But in practice those latex masks, especially in season 2, made them look like they interbred with the Pakleds.
I guess they were going for a "Space Orc" look, but they ended up with "dopey saturday morning cartoon villain"
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