Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

[ScottJ85]

Just watched the first episode now, it totally exceeded my already unrealistically high expectations.

 

[Amaris]

Given that even in the 23rd century a starship can turn most of a planet's crust to slag, it's a pretty big stick.

It is indeed a big fucking stick, and I love the way he did it. I could imagine being an alien looking up and seeing that massive starship in the sky and wanting to plotz. It was beautifully done all around. For me it was big insight into how Pike was going to handle things.

 

[Belz...]

Just watched the first episode now, it totally exceeded my already unrealistically high expectations.

Dude, tell us more!

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think it is because the transporter is supposed to be a bit of newer tech in TOS, and likely a power hungry piece. Much like intraship beaming is supposed to be dangerous in TOS, yet is routine ten years prior in DSC.

Where in TOS is it implied that transporter tech in new? It's their primary means of ship to ship and ship to planet transportation.

 

[DaveyNY]

Life is way more complicated than that, and our inability to see the values, rationales and motivations of people we disagree with is at the very core of our current failures as a society, as is our inability to look at our own values and beliefs critically when challenged.

Kinda difficult to do that when those "core values" in question from one side, are a detriment to a large part of the rest of population that don't fit the specific's of those same "core values".

 

[zenophite]

Yep. This is right in line with Pike’s extremely tolerant attitudes toward religions in “New Eden” as well.

Frankly, I’d much rather have Trek with a main character like Pike who doesn’t preach about one side being better or one opinion being “right” when it comes to social/political/philosophical issues. I have no desire to live in an ideological echo chamber. I’d rather have the thoughtful introspection that ultimately, no one philosophy was “to blame/evil” while the other was just “innocent/good.” Nine times out of ten, that’s bullshit. Life is way more complicated than that, and our inability to see the values, rationales and motivations of people we disagree with is at the very core of our current failures as a society, as is our inability to look at our own values and beliefs critically when challenged.

Nice to have a character who seems to realize that. I don’t need to be preached to, and I don’t always need to have characters who believe the same things I do, and I don’t need my favorite shows to teach /reassure/reinforce certain leanings. I can figure that out all on my own.

Well said!

 

[Kaelef]

...and the alien air-raid sirens sound just like ours?

I think that was an intentional misdirection to make us think this was Earth at first (they intentionally don't show us their faces until a few seconds in), and also to highlight how similar they are to our 21st century.

 

[Mudd]

I think that was an intentional misdirection to make us think this was Earth at first (they intentionally don't show us their faces until a few seconds in), and also to highlight how similar they are to our 21st century.

That's exactly what it was.

 

[Amaris]

Kinda difficult to do that when those "core values" in question from one side, are a detriment to a large part of the rest of population that don't fit the specific's of those same "core values".

This. There are times where it is absolutely right and good to take a side, to choose where to stand.

 

[Belz...]

I think that was an intentional misdirection to make us think this was Earth at first (they intentionally don't show us their faces until a few seconds in), and also to highlight how similar they are to our 21st century.

No the siren was at the end when the Enterprise appears.

 

[Mudd]

Where in TOS is it implied that transporter tech in new? It's their primary means of ship to ship and ship to planet transportation.

You're right.

 

[Kaelef]

No the siren was at the end when the Enterprise appears.

I thought we were talking about the sirens that open the show.

 

[Vger23]

Kinda difficult to do that when those "core values" in question from one side, are a detriment to a large part of the rest of population that don't fit the specific's of those same "core values".

I stand by what I said. Inability to explore the point of view of those we disagree with is a fundamental issue in society, relationships, etc. and is the cause for most of the hatred, violence, and misery we experience.

I’m not really interested in debating it, though. I’m here to talk about Star Trek. Moving on….

 

[Mudd]

It's both. The alarms at the beginning look and sound very off-the-shelf.

BTW, have i said how much better I like this costume designer than Robert Blackman? Does she work on the other KurtzTrek shows?

 

[Belz...]

I thought we were talking about the sirens the open the show.

Well... Let me check.

...no the sirens at the beginning are just regular alarms. The air-raid siren is at the end when Enterprise lowers itself.

 

[Mudd]

I stand by what I said. Inability to explore the point of view of those we disagree with is a fundamental issue in society, relationships, etc. and is the cause for most of the hatred, violence, and misery we experience.

I’m not really interested in debating it, though. I’m here to talk about Star Trek. Moving on….

Well, it is true that Pike started out by declaring that unwillingness to talk to one another would lead to disaster. And that is where we find ourselves.

 

[zenophite]

This. There are times where it is absolutely right and good to take a side, to choose where to stand.

There are times like that but, unlike in the movies, most of the time it isn't really black-and-white - I think those are few and far between, frankly.

 

[Trekker4747]

Well... Let me check.

...no the sirens at the beginning are just regular alarms. The air-raid siren is at the end when Enterprise lowers itself.

This

 

[Amaris]

There are times like that but, unlike in the movies, most of the time it isn't really black-and-white.

Not always, no, but there are plenty of situations in real life where a moral and ethical position is clearly visible, but someone will take a stance between a number of ideological sides because they don't want to invalidate any one position. The problem with such a stance is that it only helps the ones who seek to do harm to others.

While not everything is black and white, shades of gray can get darker if not enough light is let in to shine on it and show it for what it is. Humans possess the tools necessary to suss such things out, but those tools are often blunted, misused, neglected, because the culture in which we live benefits from the lack of their use.

This is TOS era trek, though, where that was understood, and that "we will not kill today" was actually a solid message. It directly addressed the good and bad aspects of who we are, and dealt with them directly, sometimes succeeding, other times failing. It seems simplistic on the surface, but that simplicity masks a greater complexity, of actually seeking to understand, as comprehensively as possible, how we got here, where to go from here, and how to get there without destroying everything in the process.

 

[fireproof78]

And humans are lazy.