Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x10 - "Farewell"

[TedShatner10]

They pulled it together and it was, for the most part, pretty enthralling.

A few disjointed thoughts. After a strong, fairly nuanced start, Soong had descended into a very basic villain (and I hate the implication that he was responsible for Khan—doesn’t work for me and is another case of Small Universe Syndrome).

Since '24 Soong was a industrialist who was living in a mini-lair with access to tech decades ahead of what we have access to now and a regulatory board snubbing his work, I think Khan and the Eugenics Wars already happened, plus the "Khan Project" files looked used and weathered looking (and non-digital).

It was more a point of origin for Soong Augments and Synthetics.

 

[cooleddie74]

It was a nod to what his descendant would be doing in the 2130s through 2150s.

 

[ED-209]

That hug

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Wil has chronic depression. He's been struggling with it for awhile.

He's trying really hard to be happy and positive, and you can tell.

Wil Wheaton grew up in a very abusive household and didn't want the forced stardom as a child. As someone who grew up similarly (minus the stardom), I can identify. He adopted the TNG cast as a surrogate family, looking particularly to Jonathan Frakes as a father figure. Yes, he's had it bad for a while, but I find it very strange that you are attacking him for trying to be happy.

Anyway, that's just his public persona, I think. Take it or leave it, but for Christ's sake, don't judge him. Shame on you.

 

[jackoverfull]

I’m still not sold on what happened with the Borg. Why was Jurati’s personality enough to completely reform the Borg when billions of others didn’t?

this was the first time someone went against the queen without the rest of the ocean.

A glass of wine in the ocean is ocean, a glass of wine with a glass of water still tastes a lot like wine.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I can only imagine the post mission DTI debrief. Poor bastard is gonna phaser himself/herself after hearing all the time line shenanigan's. At least we know why all the current shows keep changing, all these folks going back in time and meddling has altered the timeline drastically.

Nah. That's just called a typical Thursday at the DTI.

 

[Tuskin38]

I think Khan and the Eugenics Wars already happened, plus the "Khan Project" files looked used and weathered looking (and non-digital).

A few disjointed thoughts. After a strong, fairly nuanced start, Soong had descended into a very basic villain (and I hate the implication that he was responsible for Khan

The date on it was 1996, which was the year Khan left Earth.
One of the tabs also has the date range of 1992 to 1996, which were the (original) years of the Eugenics wars.

So I don't think they were saying he created Khan, only that he had a project connected to him. Probably one to create his own Khan like augments.

 

[fireproof78]

Since '24 Soong was a industrialist who was living in a mini-lair with access to tech decades ahead of what we have access to now and a regulatory board snubbing his work, I think Khan and the Eugenics Wars already happened, plus the "Khan Project" files looked used and weathered looking (and non-digital).

It was more a point of origin for Soong Augments and Synthetics.

That would seem reasonable.

 

[donners22]

I don't know what to make of this episode. It didn't make a lick of sense, but it had some wonderful moments. It's hard to get past the resentment of this cast being shoved aside so that the TNG cast can be dusted off.

 

[Tuskin38]

I don't think they were just suddenly shoved aside, it sounds like this was always the plan.

Patrick said he wasn't against the old cast appearing, but he wanted the show to work on its own first.

 

[jaime]

If I understand what happened correctly, there has been a second nice Borg collective operating in secret for the last 400 years. They may or may not have finally taken over the primary collective after Janeway decimated them in Endgame. But these particular Borg weren't reformed they were nice from the beginning. I suppose you could say Jurati reformed the Queen, but two minds merging as equals is very different than one person against billions of minds in the collective.

And most importantly, that it hadn’t happened until it had, as it were.

 

[jaime]

I actually like the song, I have the full length version, it's genuinely a good song and fits the ENT theme of humanity's initial foray into the new Space frontier exploration very well.


We concur, it's the Pop remix of the same song. And it wasn't necessary or better than the original version.

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Amazing when you consider it was in a Robin Williams tear-jerker that flopped many years before it showed up on ENT…

 

[Airmandan]

Why do we think that the 1996 date quoted from the original series is still in effect? Due to all the temporal shenanigans, Khan and his brethren's creation could easily have been pushed into the 21st century.

 

[Tuskin38]

Why do we think that the 1996 date quoted from the original series is still in effect? Due to all the temporal shenanigans, Khan and his brethren's creation could easily have been pushed into the 21st century.

Because it's written on the file folder? It also has the 92-96 date range of the wars written on one of the tabs.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even STID established Khan and the Eugenics Wars as 20th century things.

 

[Airmandan]

But wasn't 96 supposed to be the year they got sent off into space? Wouldn't a more realistic retcon be that they were created in 96 and rose to power in the 2020's?

 

[WarpFactorZ]

But wasn't 96 supposed to be the year they got sent off into space? Wouldn't a more realistic retcon be that they were created in 96 and rose to power in the 2020's?

How is that any more realistic than the current story? This isn't our present, it's Trek's history.

 

[Tosk]

Wait a minute, what the heck with Guinan? (Apologies if this has come up already.)

Guinan says to Picard, "I'm sorry I couldn't tell you sooner. I just knew that if I guided you right, set you straight, You'd circle 'round eventually." (and then points out that she's had a photo of Rios in the bar the whole time.)

So...does this mean young Guinan did remember him the whole time? And all that "Confederation timeline" stuff was baloney? Or is she referring to something else?

And if Rios' picture has been in the bar all along, that means that "the whole thing was always meant to happen" which would again imply that somehow the 'correct' timeline always happened. Almost like Q never screwed with the timeline at all, but sort of shifted them to a temporary alternate one? I'm hoping there's an obvious answer here that I'm too dense to see right now.

...And also, what exactly did Kore actually do to warrant being recruited by the Time Nudgers? That seemed weird, almost like they just wanted to give her a bigger sendoff than her just running away from home for good.

 

[Vale]

Wait a minute, what the heck with Guinan? (Apologies if this has come up already.)

Guinan says to Picard, "I'm sorry I couldn't tell you sooner. I just knew that if I guided you right, set you straight, You'd circle 'round eventually." (and then points out that she's had a photo of Rios in the bar the whole time.)

So...does this mean young Guinan did remember him the whole time? And all that "Confederation timeline" stuff was baloney? Or is she referring to something else?

And if Rios' picture has been in the bar all along, that means that "the whole thing was always meant to happen" which would again imply that somehow the 'correct' timeline always happened. Almost like Q never screwed with the timeline at all, but sort of shifted them to a temporary alternate one? I'm hoping there's an obvious answer here that I'm too dense to see right now.

...And also, what exactly did Kore actually do to warrant being recruited by the Time Nudgers? That seemed weird, almost like they just wanted to give her a bigger sendoff than her just running away from home for good.

She didn't remember, until she did. Also remember that, per TNG: "Yesterday's Enterprise", Guinan has an awareness that goes beyond linear time. She's already demonstrated the ability to remember alternate histories.

 

[Tosk]

But what is she apologizing for?