Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x10 - "Farewell"

[cooleddie74]

I'd be happy to have Wil Wheaton's money and pop culture recognition. I don't feel sorry for him. He turned being an affable and likable teenager in a movie like Stand By Me into a 40-year career and is still popular even when he veers too goofy for the tastes of many. We can say he sucks but he's living a good life and seems to genuinely like us.

 

[johnjm22]

Why??

He's clearly having some mental health issues.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It’s not a remix, it’s a re-recording with a different, much generic, arrangement that loses pretty much all the magic in favour of a more upbeat feel.

Yeah, it sucked compared to the original version.

 

[cooleddie74]

I love the song. But the Season 3 and 4 rearrangement is not a theme I get nearly as much into. They didn't need to "twang it up" for the audience. You don't always have to pander your musical choices to whatever seems to be "in" at the time of production.

 

[Deks]

Excellent point! I forgot about that line. So, yes, there should definitely be some other Q's floating about out there. Although I thought this was a pretty good way of closing the book on that particular plot device. Something new should be approached.

I wonder where that new transwarp conduit wormhole thingy goes...

Someone suggested that Q's death may have opened the TW conduit in question... which I suppose is a 'reasonable' guess if we take into account the fact that the war in the Continuum managed to create Supernovae... however, the Borg Queen (Borgati) arrived there to protect the AQ from its eruption well before Q died... so I don't particularly think Q's death was the one that triggered it - unless because all this has to do with time travel and being a predestination paradox somehow resulted in Q's death energy to go to a specific point in time to start the creation of the TW conduit.

As for where it leads... probably elsewhere into the galaxy, or maybe outside the galaxy?
Who knows.

This feels weirdly similar to DS9's opening... so it wouldn't surprise me if this thing is addressed in the third (and final) season of Picard while creating a 'spinoff' series similar to DS9 which would see both Borg and UFP working together (again), and the Borg ship being similar to a space station.

But if that happens... who will replace the actress playing Agnes as the Borg Queen?

 

[UssGlenn]

Why was Jurati’s personality enough to completely reform the Borg when billions of others didn’t?

If I understand what happened correctly, there has been a second nice Borg collective operating in secret for the last 400 years. They may or may not have finally taken over the primary collective after Janeway decimated them in Endgame. But these particular Borg weren't reformed they were nice from the beginning. I suppose you could say Jurati reformed the Queen, but two minds merging as equals is very different than one person against billions of minds in the collective.

 

[Dar70]

He's clearly having some mental health issues.

How so?

 

[johnjm22]

How so?

Wil has chronic depression. He's been struggling with it for awhile.

He's trying really hard to be happy and positive, and you can tell.

 

[cooleddie74]

Good for him, then. A lot of people with his condition can't.

 

[Dar70]

Wil has chronic depression. He's been struggling with it for awhile.

He's trying really hard to be happy and positive, and you can tell.

I have had depression on and off for the better part of 30 years. It's hard to deal with. Nothing wrong with him trying to be happy. That is what it takes sometimes. I find staying physically active and a healthy diet go a very long way.

 

[gweeps]

Riker has the beard in Season 2. That's just one of the numerous signs that things were gradually getting better on the show.

Season 2 also has a few good/great episodes, such as Where Silence Has Lease and Q Who.

 

[fireproof78]

I have had depression on and off for the better part of 30 years. It's hard to deal with. Nothing wrong with him trying to be happy. That is what it takes sometimes. I find saying physically active and a healthy diet go a very long way.

Indeed. As my mom says, "There are view problems that can't be remedied without a good diet and exercise."

I'm terrible at taking that advice but it's a work in progress.

Good for him, then. A lot of people with his condition can't.

Indeed. The biggest barrier to managing is depression is the "get up and go" decided to become "Got up and went." When I explore with clients the connections between thinking-feeling-doing we usually have to start with the doing, because the thinking and the feeling are more difficult to change when depressed.

Glad he is doing something that gets him going.

 

[Kaelef]

He's trying really hard to be happy and positive, and you can tell.

There's no possible way you can know this unless you're a close, personal friend and know how he behaves on a day-to-day basis. You may well very be correct, but you don't know that simply from his behavior on screen.

 

[Dar70]

There's no possible way you can know this unless you're a close, personal friend and know how he behaves on a day-to-day basis. You may well very be correct, but you don't know that simply from his behavior on screen.

Agreed.
Sure he looked happy in his appearance on Picard. But he also looked happy when he transported away with the traveler on his last TNG appearance.

 

[johnjm22]

There's no possible way you can know this unless you're a close, personal friend and know how he behaves on a day-to-day basis. You may well very be correct, but you don't know that simply from his behavior on screen.

I know that he's a manic depressive. And I feel bad for him.

Ironically, this season of PIC was largely about mental health.

 

[fireproof78]

"Every damn day" is exactly how I fight my depression. Every day.

I don't feel bad for Wil. I applaud is willingness to work regardless of it.

 

[Kraig]

I got the impression that she was something of a prodigy, much like Wesley was. She was very deftly able to hack into Soong's system and purge all his files ("purge" being a more permanent state of digital non-existence than simply deleting the files, which could be reversed). That demonstrates heightened ability, doubtless imbued by the genetic enhancements that Soong gave her during the cloning process - something valued by the Travelers, apparently. Wesley had no additional powers, to my recollection, aside from a highly developed intellect.

And there is a recent need for a Watcher on Earth. Someone to lessen the collapse after a catastrophe. Someone who has first hand experience of Dr. Soong's work. I also doubt that she has any government documents. No one will report her missing, because officially she doesn't exist, and her creation is probably illegal. No reason to have to explain her absence.

 

[F. King Daniel]

This ending reminded me a lot of the season one finale. Very uneven, with emotional moments that felt earned (the Q stuff was almost up there with the Picard/Data farewell) and important, one huge epoch in the history of the franchise with the Borg joining the Federation.

But also some stuff around that which dragged it down like a meaningless random threat to the galaxy which was over in 5. Nice cameo by Wil Wheaton, which I assume is setting up the next season.

 

[Deks]

I’m still not sold on what happened with the Borg. Why was Jurati’s personality enough to completely reform the Borg when billions of others didn’t? A lot of people had already predicted how it ended, but it was fine.

Remember that before this happened, the Queen was never alone (without the force of her drones to back her up). If the queen had the backup of her drones, its possible the sheer collective will would have had a much easier time absorbing Jurati - and also, in fairness, Jurati WAS assimilated in the end... its just the personality ended up somewhere in between.

The Queen was also damaged (in the Confederation timeline) and very weak compared to other Borg queens. This probably placed Jurati and the Queen on more equal grounds... at least enough for the Queen to listen to persistent Jurati and change how she may have viewed things.

We also learned the Queen was basically craving connection to be with an equal and that a lot of other stuff was bs as presented at face value (advanced species assimilation may have presented an opportunity for the Queen to not just advance further easily, but to possibly also find a worthy equal if possible).

 

[New Kid 99]

Nice cameo by Wil Wheaton, which I assume is setting up the next season.

I'm wondering if this is the set up for a crossover event series, since Wes and Kore can apparently appear in any timeline. Or at least an attempt to test the waters.