Wil is actually great at playing snotty jerkwads, but that's pretty far afield from Wesley unfortunately.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x10 - "Farewell"
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Wil is actually great at playing snotty jerkwads, but that's pretty far afield from Wesley unfortunately.
I agree that WW3 in regards to Ricardo should have been mentioned by Rios. It's like he doesn't know any Earth Trek history at all. Even if it were just short lines like,I would get upset that Rios seems to disregard the incoming WW3 &. And basically, decides to put Teresa and Ricardo and himself through that instead of taking them to the 25th century. But this is the guy that seemingly disregards that Teresa lives in an era where dating apps like Tinder and Bumble exist and are ubiquitous and she could find someone with ease through her phone at a moment’s notice, but still fell head over heels for her with almost zero knowledge of her. And even without those apps, Teresa does not seem like she would have any problems finding a date. And again, Rios blindly fell head over heels for her. So,Second American Civil War
And it appears that what Teresa did in starting a medical movement was important for the 21st century. I guess like the Bell Riots, its overshadowed by the conflicts. Even though I’d imagine the 24th century would prioritize learning about people like her more than a bunch of politicians like now. So, she should have been a vaguely familiar face anyways. History doesn’t seem like its the strong suit of any of the Starfleet personnel in nuTrek, unlike in Berman Trek. Or maybe all of the lovers of history got killed during the Dominion War. Plus, Rios gets the Trip Tucker death of we don’t actually seem him die, but we’re told he’s dead.
Then there is Adam Soong, who can apparently return back to LA from France in a moments notice, but don’t seem to know what a USB is. But then digs out from his drawer and finds Project Khan, suggesting he’s good at storing things away in safe places. Also, I guess we know he really liked the final moments of the S2 finale of 24, based on what he did to Tallinn. The whole Soong thread was a gigantic mess and wasted potential.
Then there’s Raffi, who again instead of thinking to use her tricorder for the second time this season, comes up with an impractical plan with time ticking down. At least Seven and her got together…again, this time with a kiss instead of holding hands. Oh, and Elnor returns, with less screentime than Kore, Teresa & Ricardo, Borg Queen Jurati, Guinan or Wesley Crusher. After hopes to further flesh out Elnor as a character in S2, he basically gets treated as a glorified redshirt instead. Complete failure here.
And while it was great to see Wesley, this was more to tie up the fact that Kore is roaming around LA in 2024 than anything meaningful via fanservice.
Seven in the captain's chair - I think that following up on her career in Fenris Rangers would be more imaginative; every show follows those in Starfleet and following though outside of Starfleet like in PIC S1 takes more imagination to flesh out. But I'm sure that this decision will make some people happy. I’d also like to add that it really does feel that Seven progression as a character in the last couple of episodes came at the expense of Rios’s development. First Rios manages to get himself shot and subsequently teleported out of the fire fight to show that Seven smart to take cover and is a badass – even though we knew that already – and now Seven has taken his place in the captain’s chair.
Seven asking how money works – so how exactly how have you all been eating and sleeping over the past three days? Since both Kirk and Archer were well aware they needed money to function in pre-first contact Earth. And why would she not know how money works since Picard had to pay Rios for his service and she herself said the Fenris Rangers store their money on Freecloud only one. Season. Ago.
In light of the Borg joining the Federation – which fulfills something Guinan suggested would happen someday back in TNG and follows up on a scene in Lower Decks featuring Borg children being taught Federation history - I would imagine they filmed something with Alison Pill for S3, since she said she’s won’t be returning, while the Borg are observing the transwarp hub.
I admit, they wrapped up the Picard-Q story very well. John De Lancie was the highlight of this dreadful season, by far.
This was a decent finale that managed to wrap up the 2024 arc after all (let’s be honest, the writing leading up to the finale did not inspire confidence that it would), but still the worst season of the Kurtzman era (yes, even worse than DIS S1!), and one of the worst seasons of Trek ever. Even the end credits, that it was not the starry background with La Sirena flying off like when S1 concluded, but just a black screen with text like every other episode of the live action Kurtzman show, comes off as wanting to get the season over with. Like someone said elsewhere on the internet, it really does feel like the writers wrote this over a weekend and that they were more interested in getting back to social media and their yachts. There was a better, more coherent story available waiting to be told, but it wasn’t made.
Rios: Q, I need you to take Teresa and Ricardo with me to the 25th century to escape World War 3.
Q: I can't take more than 4 people.
Rios: Just Ricardo then.
Ricardo: I'm not leaving you mom.
Rios: Fine, I'll stay with both of you and try to protect you from the worst of it.
That would feel more organic to what we know about Trek.
There was an offhanded reference to how he "hacked Tallinn's transporter. Not sure how he'd do that with 21st century tech, but it was one of the many shortcuts this episode took to tell three episodes of story in 45 minutes.
Well you can please some of the people some of the time....
I wish I could like it but unfortunately I'm not fond of this sort of show; to me it all comes across as little more than a setup for cheap sentimentality and unrestrained emotionalism on several levels. It's difficult to connect to the unending trauma train that seems to motivate almost every character. I can't help but wonder if the show is largely a projection of the writers' collective therapy sessions.
I wish I could like it but unfortunately I'm not fond of this sort of show; to me it all comes across as little more than a setup for cheap sentimentality and unrestrained emotionalism on several levels. It's difficult to connect to the unending trauma train that seems to motivate almost every character. I can't help but wonder if the show is largely a projection of the writers' collective therapy sessions.
I would get upset that Rios seems to disregard the incoming WW3 &. And basically, decides to put Teresa and Ricardo and himself through that instead of taking them to the 25th century. But this is the guy that seemingly disregards that Teresa lives in an era where dating apps like Tinder and Bumble exist and are ubiquitous and she could find someone with ease through her phone at a moment’s notice, but still fell head over heels for her with almost zero knowledge of her. And even without those apps, Teresa does not seem like she would have any problems finding a date. And again, Rios blindly fell head over heels for her. So,Second American Civil War
I mean, it's established both of them are fantastically important for the survival of the human race Post-WW3.
Mind you, it's quite likely that humanity would not have recovered if not for the son using the alien lifeform to clear out the fallout and ocean destruction.
But my headcanon is that Rios stayed behind BECAUSE OF WW3. Specifically, "I'm not going to let them be killed by nukes. Wherever nukes fall on Judgement Day, they're going to be in Chile or Outer Mongolia."
Remember, most records from this period are lost. Its quite probably Guinan is the only one who remembers her, sadly.
I mean, I don't know what Florence Nightingale looks like.
I mean, genome research is millions of lines of code. Not something you can keep on hard copy but yes, I liked that he just immediately bounces back.
Eh, Wesley had an important place in Picard's life so letting us know, "He's fine." Is good.
Well hacking is actually just the laymen's term for getting past whatever security you have, which usually consists of figuring out someone's password. Its very likely he just picked it up and figured out how to use it.
Reach for the one closest to you and when you reach them...
Look up and let the love come in
Anyone else notice the First Contact them when Picard is bringing the drinks over to the table at Guinan's?
The file was labelled June 7th 1996, the same year Khan left earth.
The Adam Soong rebound scene is a mirror for how his great-grandson finds a new focus and purpose after the Augments he's raised are killed and he's put back in prison. Adam decides to pursue illegal genetic research to improve and make more assertive and powerful humans and Arik decides that cybernetics is the path to follow to find a legacy.
Frankly, I would have rather they go with something that suggests that Adam Soong started a 'family' tradition of cloning themselves and each raising the next one as his 'son'. The KHAN thing was just so cheap.
I'm pissed we never discovered who Soong was repeatedly cloning.
That was a good episode, but it was tough to rate. A strong 7 or a weak 8. Feeling generous, I gave it an 8.
As a conclusion to a season long arc (such as it was), it was a bit lacking. It did the minimum in terms of tying up loose ends from the previous episode. It didn't seem like a particularly creative solution, but it worked overall.
There were some oddities though. Like all the duplicates, not Elnor, not Lariss, etc were meaningless. And Q's motive didn't really make sense. It was all about Picard, so the Confederation, altered history, and Borg stuff were all side points. Why try to influence Renee if it was all about freeing Picard? That doesn't make sense. (More on that.) They also used Q very ineffectively this season. Not present for most of it.
But they got history back on the right track. And, then they wrapped up the Borg storyline from episode 1. But that doesn't make sense either. If that was BQJ (which was obvious for the entire season), why did she stay disguised. Why not come in showing her face. Yeah, that would've been confusing but seems like transparency would be good. Better than coming in disguised and then apparently trying to simulate the fleet! BQJ's approach does not make sense.
Overall, I would've given the finale a 7. Just middling. Paint by numbers. But I thought Q's and Picard's conclusion was beautiful. Q left Picard free, unburdened. Picard was Q's favorite and it mattered to Q. I thought that was really nice and I gave the episode a bonus point for it.
In the previous episode's review, I joked about Picard wanting to pocket the key. I was surprised they didn't make more of that then because of its important. Of course, they completely rectified that in this episode in a very meaningful way. Again, that worked perfectly. Picard accepted himself and his past decisions.
But Q's methods don't make sense. Q wants to free Picard from his childhood trauma. Great! So, Q for some reason alters history, tries to influence Renee, helps Soong, etc. because that somehow helps Picard? The rationale isn't there. That storyline doesn't gel. Picard being freed was a byproduct of all those events. Picard happened to be injured and then stuck in a coma and with Talinn who could do the mindmeld. You could argue that Q is omnipotent, but never before had he been able to predict the outcomes of his shenanigans so precisely. He didn't know the outcome of humanity's trial or the other episodes in advance.
So, no, that doesn't work. It doesn't seem like the writers could quite get Q's and the BQ's motivations straight throughout the season.
Talinn sacrificing herself was nicely done. I figured we'd see the disguising technology again. However, it was not consistent with her previous storyline. Talinn watched but didn't interfere. However, in the finale, they tried to make it seem as if she was an ever present, although a bit distant, person in Renee's life. Her guardian. That doesn't gibe with what we saw of Talinn earlier on where she only watched remotely and was terrified of acting. So, her character was inconsistent, retconned in the space of a season! Instead, the story should have had her feeling guilty about her previous inaction, which would prompt her to act this time.
Will Wheaton gets his consolation prize for not being in season 3. And an explanation for the fans. But I thought making Wesley one of the Watchers was a bit much. It just doesn't fit. He was traveling with the Traveler last we saw. Totally separate. Small universe syndrome gone too far.
As a whole, this season was too undisciplined and meandered. There was only enough content for 4 parts at most. Just take the first two and finale two episodes and create a coherent story out of them.
In conclusion, I'd say Picard season 2 stuck the landing but barely. There was a bit of wobble or bounce, unlike Discovery's season, which solidly stuck the landing despite a similarly weak middle season.
As a conclusion to a season long arc (such as it was), it was a bit lacking. It did the minimum in terms of tying up loose ends from the previous episode. It didn't seem like a particularly creative solution, but it worked overall.
There were some oddities though. Like all the duplicates, not Elnor, not Lariss, etc were meaningless. And Q's motive didn't really make sense. It was all about Picard, so the Confederation, altered history, and Borg stuff were all side points. Why try to influence Renee if it was all about freeing Picard? That doesn't make sense. (More on that.) They also used Q very ineffectively this season. Not present for most of it.
But they got history back on the right track. And, then they wrapped up the Borg storyline from episode 1. But that doesn't make sense either. If that was BQJ (which was obvious for the entire season), why did she stay disguised. Why not come in showing her face. Yeah, that would've been confusing but seems like transparency would be good. Better than coming in disguised and then apparently trying to simulate the fleet! BQJ's approach does not make sense.
Overall, I would've given the finale a 7. Just middling. Paint by numbers. But I thought Q's and Picard's conclusion was beautiful. Q left Picard free, unburdened. Picard was Q's favorite and it mattered to Q. I thought that was really nice and I gave the episode a bonus point for it.
In the previous episode's review, I joked about Picard wanting to pocket the key. I was surprised they didn't make more of that then because of its important. Of course, they completely rectified that in this episode in a very meaningful way. Again, that worked perfectly. Picard accepted himself and his past decisions.
But Q's methods don't make sense. Q wants to free Picard from his childhood trauma. Great! So, Q for some reason alters history, tries to influence Renee, helps Soong, etc. because that somehow helps Picard? The rationale isn't there. That storyline doesn't gel. Picard being freed was a byproduct of all those events. Picard happened to be injured and then stuck in a coma and with Talinn who could do the mindmeld. You could argue that Q is omnipotent, but never before had he been able to predict the outcomes of his shenanigans so precisely. He didn't know the outcome of humanity's trial or the other episodes in advance.
So, no, that doesn't work. It doesn't seem like the writers could quite get Q's and the BQ's motivations straight throughout the season.
Talinn sacrificing herself was nicely done. I figured we'd see the disguising technology again. However, it was not consistent with her previous storyline. Talinn watched but didn't interfere. However, in the finale, they tried to make it seem as if she was an ever present, although a bit distant, person in Renee's life. Her guardian. That doesn't gibe with what we saw of Talinn earlier on where she only watched remotely and was terrified of acting. So, her character was inconsistent, retconned in the space of a season! Instead, the story should have had her feeling guilty about her previous inaction, which would prompt her to act this time.
Will Wheaton gets his consolation prize for not being in season 3. And an explanation for the fans. But I thought making Wesley one of the Watchers was a bit much. It just doesn't fit. He was traveling with the Traveler last we saw. Totally separate. Small universe syndrome gone too far.
As a whole, this season was too undisciplined and meandered. There was only enough content for 4 parts at most. Just take the first two and finale two episodes and create a coherent story out of them.
In conclusion, I'd say Picard season 2 stuck the landing but barely. There was a bit of wobble or bounce, unlike Discovery's season, which solidly stuck the landing despite a similarly weak middle season.
Basically, he can only play himself.
I don't think he cloned anyone. I think he created his daughters entirely from scratch. That was the point, to tell himself that he was a god.
As for Borg Jurati calling Picard "Mister", not sure what they were going for. That was just as unsettling if not more so than Locutus calling Riker Number One.
What's to say he didn't?
The KHAN file is from the past and probably has all the info about making augments and clones.
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She called him "Mister" in previous episodes.
You must have missed all the other times Agnus called Picard that.
No I mean doing it as a Borg.
Note that Q doing this saved a star sector from being destroyed, redeemed the Borg, rebuilt the Borg transconduit, and also made happy endings for a lot of individual people in Picard's life. It also is the predestination paradox that saved humanity's environment post-WW3.
So when he says it's small potatoes, he's lying his ass off.
Notably, it actually works in character because Q destroyed the Borg by introducing them to the Federation and traumatized pIcard by introducing him to the Borg. This bizarre circuitous route he took actually fixes most of the damage Q caused to everyone. Which justifies him taking such a non-linear (hehe) path.
Why, it's still Jurati in there as well as the BQ.
Agnus obviously had several centuries to assert control.
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