Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"

[Vale]

Seven wasn't allowed to join Starfleet, because she was a former Borg drone. But Starfleet had welcomed Picard back into the fold, despite the damage he had caused as the Borg drone Locutus?

We've covered this.

Picard was fully de-assimilated; he retained no Borg implants and has never referred to himself as Borg, which Seven emphatically did, usually at least once an episode. Even so, we see in episodes like TNG: "The Drumhead" and DS9: "Emissary", and arguably in Star Trek: First Contact, that there are people in Starfleet who do indeed hold Picard responsible, who resent him being able to resume his Starfleet career, and who believe him to be an "unstable element".

In addition, Picard already had a long established Starfleet career and was rehabilitated in the 2360s; by the late 2370s and early 2380s, after the Dominion War and around the time Voyager returned to the alpha quadrant, attitudes had started to change and the Federation was becoming more isolationist.

Lastly, let's not forget Icheb was able to join Starfleet, despite also being a former Borg drone (almost, nearly, kind of). Seven's attitude to being in something like a hierarchical command structure stank, as we saw many times in Voyager; and she gave zero indication that it was something she was remotely interested in until after Voyager returned to the alpha quadrant, even going as far as to on occasion indicate she wasn't particularly interested in returning at all. I daresay that for Picard, Icheb, and Seven, the Borg part of the equation was only part of the consideration. Seven continually banging on about being Borg and how that made her superior probably had more to do with it.

 

[fireproof78]

Seven wasn't allowed to join Starfleet, because she was a former Borg drone. But Starfleet had welcomed Picard back into the fold, despite the damage he had caused as the Borg drone Locutus?

That's quite wrong given how long one was assimilated and the other wasn't. Also, Picard still had issues with Starfleet trusting him, as per First Contact.

As for as Borg joining Starfleet Icheb was allowed in. And I believe Lower Decks has a Borg as well in Starfleet (someone fact check me on that one).

 

[Turtletrekker]

Also, in the years following the Dominion War, Starfleet could be justifiably paranoid about the "inside threat".

 

[Tuskin38]

Picard was fully de-assimilated; he retained no Borg implants

He could still hear the collective in close proximity, so something must have been left.

 

[Danja]

That was intense!

Another episode I sat all the way through! Great job!

Stunning acting from Jeri Ryan.

 

[Guy Gardener]

He could still hear the collective in close proximity, so something must have been left.

We assume he was eavesdropping?

Or was he still logged into an old zoom call (24th century equivalence)?

Or did they have zero respect for his dissasimilation, and he was allowed to listen because he is Borg, and there was no reason to deny him his rights as a Borg to be Borg?

 

[jackoverfull]

And I believe Lower Decks has a Borg as well in Starfleet (someone fact check me on that one).

I don’t think so. There is a borg student in a scene set “in the far future”, though.

He could still hear the collective in close proximity, so something must have been left.

not necessarily: there are plenty of telepathic species assimilated by the borg, he might be listening trough them.
I do seem to remember crusher had to let in some “minor” implants, though (I’m 100% sure janeway had some left).

 

[Charles Phipps]

That's quite wrong given how long one was assimilated and the other wasn't. Also, Picard still had issues with Starfleet trusting him, as per First Contact.

As for as Borg joining Starfleet Icheb was allowed in. And I believe Lower Decks has a Borg as well in Starfleet (someone fact check me on that one).

Like I said, I think the easiest fix is that no one would approve Seven when she applied. Then Janeway became an admiral and then let Icheb in.

But by that point, Seven was no longer interested.

To quote Shepard book, governments are made of people and Starfleet's Admirality just needed someone who was nicer to Borg. Which they got.

 

[137th Gebirg]

How would a guy from the 24th century know how to operate a Luger pistol? Having a phaser that is DNA locked and turns into an extremely inefficient hand grenade seems like a really stupid design.

So, after doing a little research, the pistol that Picard picked up out of the crate was a Walther P-38. A lot more commonly found during WWII and reliable compared to its Luger contemporary (IIRC, one of the biggest complaints of the Luger was its inconvenient propensity for accidental discharge). The Internet Movie Firearms Database confirms it. It would have been a common pick-up piece for the French underground resistance movement.

 

[fireproof78]

I don’t think so. There is a borg student in a scene set “in the far future”, though.

Thank you.

To quote Shepard book, governments are made of people and Starfleet's Admirality just needed someone who was nicer to Borg. Which they got.

Ah, horse trading style.

So, after doing a little research, the pistol that Picard picked up out of the crate was a Walther P-38. A lot more commonly found during WWII and reliable compared to its Luger contemporary (IIRC, one of the biggest complaints of the Luger was its inconvenient propensity for accidental discharge). The Internet Movie Firearms Database confirms it.

Today I learned that IMFD is a thing and I am much appreciative for that knowledge.

I always remember being scared of the Luger because of Indiana Jones.

 

[thribs]

Seven wasn't allowed to join Starfleet, because she was a former Borg drone. But Starfleet had welcomed Picard back into the fold, despite the damage he had caused as the Borg drone Locutus?

Icheb as well. It’s just lazy writing.

 

[gweeps]

I don’t think so. There is a borg student in a scene set “in the far future”, though.

Yup. In LD s1e3 'Temporal Edict'.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Icheb as well. It’s just lazy writing.

I feel its kind of the opposite of lazy writing if you call back elements of the previous season that "The XBs are the most hated race in the galaxy."

 

[thribs]

I feel its kind of the opposite of lazy writing if you call back elements of the previous season that "The XBs are the most hated race in the galaxy."

Probably isn’t wise to refer to anything from season one.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

By this point I’m of the opinion that the term ‘lazy writing’ is just lazy criticism.

 

[137th Gebirg]

It does seem to be popping up a lot more frequently these days as a common form of criticism. It is danger-close to rapidly cruising through trope mode, straight into permanent cliche.

 

[gweeps]

More constricted writing than lazy.

 

[gvn2fly]

By this point I’m of the opinion that the term ‘lazy writing’ is just lazy criticism.

That and "it doesn't feel like Trek so it's bad"

 

[XCV330]

No.

I think it's stating that if you can't give the highest rating to what you know, you don't have a proper formation of the numbers meaning to be handing them out.

But I admit I would prefer more tens and less nitpicking in ratings. So many people seem to be annoyed when shows get them because they have flaws but are ENJOYED.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_realism
But then Plato would probably argue against himself that theater is not covered by the subject of universals.


If we turn to Xeno instead he might argue that whatever number we give it is a judgement based on externals, in this case our reaction to things seen. So to my way of thinking in that train of thought, it is possible to generate an ideal condition, even if that ideal is a potential external with a desirous outcome that is completely dependent upon personal judgements. Those potential judgements can be understood beforehand, and so the ideal can be in mind.

and Epicurus can go to hell.

 

[truthchampion]

He didn't appoint a personal assistant to watch over her because a) it all happened in one day and night, not long enough to go through that process, b) she was resisting treatment of any kind and would probably have refused, and c) he probably didn't realise she was actively suicidal until after it happened. He just thought it was a really bad day that they could ride out. He was wrong. It happens.

There is often no logic to someone who is suicidal. Maybe there was nothing in the room that Yvette could use. Maybe she didn't decide to go through with it until later, by which time little Jean Luc was already asleep in her bed, so she went elsewhere in the house. How did she get the rope up there? Well, we saw the chair kicked over that she used to climb up. She found a way. It really isn't an important point.

It was explained in the episode. Weren't you listening?

The thing is it's about about mental illness.
This whole "Picard's mother is mentally ill" "storyline" was trash from the get go. In MOST western countries, even in the 21st Century, you LEGALLY CAN'T lock grown women in their rooms against their will for extended periods of time over YEARS, even if they are "mentally ill", without informing the authorities as to that person being a "danger to themselves and others", which she CLEARLY was, and even THEN, the authorities will get involved and take her to a health care facility for further evaluation/treatment.

Additionally, unless Picard's father, brother and himself buried her body in the backyard and gave a cover story that she "just left", once the FULL story was revealed to the authorities as to how her mental illness was CONSTANTLY endangering Picard FOR YEARS, and ultimately led to her OWN death, and that instead of getting mental heath treatment/care facility for her, Picard's father "solution" was to lock her up AGAINST HER WILL, which may have actually contributed/exacerbated her mental illness since she DID kill herself in a room in which she was confined to AGAINST HER WILL, at the VERY LEAST, a 24th Century Child Protective Service agency would have IMMEDIATELY removed Picard and his brother from that home, and Picard's father would have been charged with "involuntary manslaughter", "unlawful confinement/imprisonment", and "child endangerment". If THIS is how life in the 24th Century in the "NuTrek" universe, I definitely prefer being here in the 21st Century. SMH.