Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"

[plynch]

He was a Broadway star. Back in the Middlebrow, Book of the Month Club era when people knew about nonmusical Broadway plays.

He wasn't mean. Just wasn't super chummy with day players.

Dayplayers who HIT THE JACKPOT professionally when the movies started rolling. They happened to be small timers in a TV show and were now drawing movie paychecks (i.e., get one and retire on it if you're not stupid with your money).

No Shatner, no lucrative movie roles for essentially nobody-actors.

"But I didn't get to BE a captain and my line was cut that SAID I was a captain!!" Fictional captain. Boo. Hoo.

They should all shut up. Shut. Up. Well, basically drama-narcissistic Takei should.

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I digress. I LOVED this show (PIC) early on. Raved and told friends.

Good lord, has it become shite. Dumpster fire bad. So bad I can't believe it.

But I can, actually.

I don't even want to start counting the ways because it will bring me down.

The, the . . . ridiculously vapid, platitudinous speech about love that Laris/Gary 7 gives JL after he tells her about his guilt. OMG -- I thought I was watching DSC -- "I will now make a bad-Hallmark-vapid pronouncement about love to you." I wish it was up somewhere to quote here. It is just the thing that is jumping out of my memory right now.

Is there anyone reading who did NOT call the swinging, white robed mom at least, 20 minutes before we saw her? Humblebrag I MIGHT have called it weeks ago.

As if the Jane Eyre crazy-lady-locked-away trope wasn't bad enough. Honestly, kind of insulting, and I won't get into why.

I really wanted a Gothic horror series Freudian mommy/daddy bullshit about JL Pic, who has never evinced any of this in 7 years of shows and 4 flicks. Remember the Nexus -- make your dreams come true?? MIGHT have come up then. Just sayin.

Oh, never mind . . . why focus on bad things? It's just so stunningly bad, not just kind of, "oh, it went downhill . . ."

I still like PRO.

I want to like these. I really, really do.

I like the Mandalorian. A LOT. So I'm not one of these hate-new-things people that people are always accusing people who dislike something new to be.

How's that for tortured grammar, @Christopher? I think it actually works out.

I'm gonna go out and look up happily at the sky like watching the Borg queen take off in the 20th C to go assimilate people and maybe be nice . . . or maybe not.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Trauma from his mom dying due to his actions?

Given Picard's history I feel like that's a pretty solid answer, especially since Jack Crusher died, that science officer almost died, Ba'ku lady almost died.

Dude must feel like he has an albatross hanging around his neck.

The problem with this retcon is that he was plenty ready to seal the deal with Vash and Lt.Cdr. Daren and at least willing to do so with Bev.

 

[fireproof78]

The problem with this retcon is that he was plenty ready to seal the deal with Vash and Lt.Cdr. Daren and at least willing to do so with Bev.

Well, I will take your word for it since I have not watched those episodes in forever. I never got the impression with Bev, but that he pined for her.

But, there is a difference between being with someone and committing to someone.

 

[Timofnine]

I can’t review this episode or really comment on it as tbh I don’t understand what actually happened in the episode in the context of the Star Trek Universe. It was almost like a horror movie/random action film and had some scenes in that were quite upsetting.

My highlight of the episode was when Seven of Nine got her Borg implants back, it was like she became the ‘real’ Seven of Nine again.

The earth based Borg soldiers had laser targeting lights just like Borg drones did in First Contact (in the movie, not the TNG episode of the same name which didn’t actually have any Borg starring in it), but of note is the fact that the targeting lights were green this time not red.

The hand to hand Borg battles on the La Sirena were similar to the First Contact battles on the Enterprise but on a simpler scale. The drones were ready available and none of the crew had to be assimilated.

The Borg didn’t need a deflector dish this time to contact their 21st century contemporaries.

The First Contact inspired musical ques continued to impress.

It is interesting to know that the Borg Queen’s dress is made of Borg Nano probes and can easily be redeployed on to a new host Queen.

I give this episode 8/10

 

[fireproof78]

but of note is the fact that the targeting lights were green this time not red.

Which are used in the real world depending on light conditions.

 

[Captrek]

I never got the impression with Bev, but that he pined for her.

He married her in the AGT timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

He married her in the AGT timeline.

And they got divorced.

Indicates something went wrong.

Bear in mind that trauma doesn't just mean "I'll avoid." It can also mean "I'll react, I'll assume" and various other reactions that may not come out right away. Which I have certainly observed in many people struggling with trauma.

 

[Nyotarules]

Perhaps, Starfleet's main concern was not that Seven would be disloyal or a security threat but that she would face harassment by others.

Plus as enlightening as the humans say they are in thee UFP or Starfleet 'say' they are in the 23rd century, fear can still rule their decision making e.g First Contact movie

Robert was mentioned in Episode one but I agree they should have mentioned him again, just to remind the audience.

Why, I guess expecting a nit picky Trek audience to remember things is a bit much, right?

Spoiler

the Borg Queen is an A.I. constructed around the remnants of the personality of an alien comprised of nanites whose mind had degenerated into desperate existential loneliness and pain as a result of being condemned to die in a desolate arctic wasteland alongside several humanoids. No longer capable of rational thought, when she forced herself to merge with a humanoid in an attempt to survive, the resultant hybrid mind was driven by this elemental hunger, this desperate need to absorb other minds to fill a howling void that will never end.

The novel also points out its the stubborn action of humans, who accidentally go back in time, that causes these tragic chain of events

 

[fireproof78]

Plus as enlightening as the humans say they are in thee UFP or Starfleet 'say' they are in the 23rd century, fear can still rule their decision making e.g First Contact movie


Why, I guess expecting a nit picky Trek audience to remember things is a bit much, right?

Spoiler

the Borg Queen is an A.I. constructed around the remnants of the personality of an alien comprised of nanites whose mind had degenerated into desperate existential loneliness and pain as a result of being condemned to die in a desolate arctic wasteland alongside several humanoids. No longer capable of rational thought, when she forced herself to merge with a humanoid in an attempt to survive, the resultant hybrid mind was driven by this elemental hunger, this desperate need to absorb other minds to fill a howling void that will never end.

The novel also points out its the stubborn action of humans, who accidentally go back in time, that causes these tragic chain of events

Damn.

 

[cooleddie74]

In rewatch this one does not go down well. I hate to say it because the flashback scenes about Yvette and Maurice and seeing the NX-Refit model were fantastic, but most of the rest...ugh.

3. My worst rating of the season thus far.

 

[GNDN18]

In rewatch this one does not go down well. I hate to say it because the flashback scenes about Yvette and Maurice and seeing the NX-Refit model were fantastic, but most of the rest...ugh.

3. My worst rating of the season thus far.

But…but 3 is a magic number!

It is the end of days. Computer: end program.

 

[cooleddie74]

Well, yeah, a lot of the rewatch was like getting trapped behind David Copperfield's scrotum. So accurate.

 

[Tosk]

The earth based Borg soldiers had laser targeting lights just like Borg drones did in First Contact (in the movie, not the TNG episode of the same name which didn’t actually have any Borg starring in it), but of note is the fact that the targeting lights were green this time not red.

The pseudo-drones don't have a laser sight at all, it's part of their machine guns.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

The pseudo-drones don't have a laser sight at all, it's part of their machine guns.

The laser-sight is mounted on the machine gun.

 

[Tosk]

Isn't that what I said?

 

[cooleddie74]

It's basically a green version of the sight on the handgun used by Arnold in the first Terminator film.

 

[Yistaan]

I think Shatner's POV has been that he wasn't there to make friends, he was there to read his lines and do his work and that's it.

We're heading into decades old memories by multiple people and Shatner seemed to have been chummy enough with his costars on TOS to be goofing around with them, as literally seen at William Shatner on Twitter: "See what a horrible person I was to the cast? ‍ #thetruthisoutthere" / Twitter .

The sad part is his caption saying "See what a horrible person I was to the cast?" and he seems just as confused as we are on how he got this reputation he seemingly has with the TOS cast.

Back to Picard, if Borg Jurati were really so friendly, wouldn't she have at least waited until Picard and crew were done with their mission before running off? What's the rush? Now the crew is stuck in 2024.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Isn't that what I said?

I think the original poster meant the laser sights were *like* those of the First Contact Borg, but understood they were on the guns. I was just clarifying, but I guess your post says the same thing, though confusingly. They *have* sights, but they're on the guns.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Well Shatner reconciled with the cast in the movie period. So it's literally something that was decades in the past.

 

[cooleddie74]

Doohan was never fond of TFF and said so vocally when asked but I'm not sure how much of that was dealing with Shatner on-set as actor and the director or if it was the story or both.