Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x09 - "Hide and Seek"

[Llywela]

-Why was a gun down in the Picard family basement, and why did Jean-Luc know that? Was it still there hundreds of years later?
-It also would've been nice to see Picard's older brother or him being mentioned.

I don't think anyone has answered this question yet. Picard told us in this episode that the tunnels beneath the Chateau were used by the French Resistance in the early years of WWII and then sealed up later in the war, with all kinds of munitions still down there - he cited it as one of the reasons he wasn't supposed to go down there as a child, because it was known to be very unsafe. That's why the gun was there, it was left behind by the resistance during WWII.

As others have said, the older brother was mentioned in an earlier episode. He was away at school on the day of this particular memory - which, although it has been stretched over an entire season and therefore seems like a long period of time, this particular memory is of a single day in Jean Luc's life.

I wonder, why aren't the Borg Queen's new drones actually turning into the Borg drones we all know and love? I thought the nanoprobes actually did most of the work of creating the Borg attire on someone after they get assimilated pretty quickly.

Her nanoprobes were severely depleted after being held captive by the Confederation. She's been working to make more, but they are imperfect and still extremely limited, resulting in imperfect assimilation.

My real bugbear is Picards' mom suffering a long time from a mental illness. She's a federation citizen on earth, and the stigma if any, is much less than the jack pack on ds9. Nobody in the 2300's should be committing suicide due to a treatable mental illness.

Someone in 1800 might say the same of our society today - they have so many treatments available, why do people still die? I guess the answer is that every single case is a unique individual, people are imperfect and make imperfect choices, even the most wondrous of treatments generally has limits, and in any society people can fall through the cracks. There was an episode of TNG in which Worf was paralysed and wanted to be allowed to commit suicide rather than either live with a disability or consent to a risky treatment, and although he later changed his mind, the episode emphasised his right as an individual to make that choice. By that metric, 24th century society would also allow Yvette the right to choose, so long as she wasn't harming anyone else with her choice.

I thought the point was there was only supposed to be one time line. If it is as you suggest, perhaps the solution is to do something that allows both timelines to exist. Not that any of this makes any sense because time travel is a paradox in itself unless it creates a new timeline.

To be fair, all we know is that the crew believe there is only supposed to be one timeline, and they've been operating off that assumption all season. Just because they believe it, doesn't mean it is true - which is probably the point of Borgati's parting statement.

 

[El Maestro]

I got to hand it to this thread, these theories are awesome. It's a nice break from the new trek hate with YouTube videos.

Part of it is that the episode gave us some good and interesting things to theorize about.

 

[The Rock]

The Borg and the Lorg.

 

[El Maestro]

that’s what I’m getting at. No accident, meaning Kirk is back on Earth in time to enjoy dinner with Bones. Would also mean the E-D never gets destroyed because Soren wasn’t teaming with the Duras Sisters to return to the Nexus.

Part of me would not be too sad if we undid the E-D’s ignominious ending. It did not befit the version of the Enterprise that at that point we were more familiar with than any other.

 

[Romulan_spy]

My real bugbear is Picards' mom suffering a long time from a mental illness. She's a federation citizen on earth, and the stigma if any, is much less than the jack pack on ds9. Nobody in the 2300's should be committing suicide due to a treatable mental illness.

We know the Picard's shunned technology. We can see from the chateau that they lived very low tech. And the dad seemed like a very private person. The dad probably made the choice not to take the mom to Federation doctors for that reason. And the Federation authorities on Earth would respect people's privacy. They would have no reason to think to visit Chateau Picard just in case someone was sick there. So yes, in general, mental illness was easily treated but there could still be isolated cases of people who don't seek out treatment, who would still die.

 

[Seven of Five]

I really enjoyed that, so a 9. It's a shame they had the confusing trip in Picard's mind to his childhood. back in Monsters. This episode handled that story aspect better with flashbacks.

A completely random appearance from Elnor just added confusion, and I was hoping it was one of Rios's holograms from season one!

Queen Jurati was awesome. Jurati fighting the Queen inside her mind was well done. It remains a highlight of the season, and I guess this new Queen is the one we saw back in episode one?

 

[Llywela]

A completely random appearance from Elnor just added confusion, and I was hoping it was one of Rios's holograms from season one!

Wrong ship, alas. This is the Confederation La Sirena, which does not have the Rios holos from season one because it's from another timeline completely.

 

[Seven of Five]

Oh yeah.

Nothing to see here...

 

[Charles Phipps]

But those weird medical ailments were usually a result of anomalous encounters in space (not something a regular UFP citizen would encounter). And, it was repeated throughout 90-ies Trek several times that virtually all disorders (mental or physical - even those that affected Humans in older age) were effectively eliminated and were unheard of in the 24th century.

It would have made more sense if Jean Luc's parents were described as having an aversion to most modern technology (which doesn't seem extraordinary given how Maurice and Robert were described in TNG) and didn't seek out medical treatment at first, and that by the time they have, it was too late.

I mean they are described as having an aversion but they flat out NEVER seek out treatment.

Which makes the story topical in an "Anti-Vaxxer" sort of way.

Papa Picard doesn't trust Doctors and it leads to tragedy for his family.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Angry Joe gave this ep a 0/10! I don't really care what a youtuber thinks. But this still boggles my mind. How can anyone give this episode a 0? Even if you think Picard is a terrible show, surely you could find one good thing about this ep. There are definitely worse eps of Trek than this one.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Part of me would not be too sad if we undid the E-D’s ignominious ending. It did not befit the version of the Enterprise that at that point we were more familiar with than any other.

Well as DS9 proved Galaxy class ships along with a number of others classes are made of tissue.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Angry Joe gave this ep a 0/10! I don't really care what a youtuber thinks. But this still boggles my mind. How can anyone give this episode a 0? Even if you think Picard is a terrible show, surely you could find one good thing about this ep. There are definitely worse eps of Trek than this one.

If you think a show is that bad you should think it's too bad to review and pick something else. These hate reviewers are clowns

 

[cooleddie74]

Angry Joe is an example why YouTube reviewers are almost always a waste of time. And brain cells.

 

[Deks]

I mean they are described as having an aversion but they flat out NEVER seek out treatment.

Do we know they never sought out treatment though?

I mean, we can only speculate based on what we've seen thus far (Robert's and Maurice's description that they are averse to modern technological conveniences - but we don't know if this extended to medical treatment).

Which makes the story topical in an "Anti-Vaxxer" sort of way.

Papa Picard doesn't trust Doctors and it leads to tragedy for his family.

See, for the type of society UFP is, I don't buy the premise this new generation of humans would be averse to technology in quite the same way.

They are educated differently, and brought up in a fundamentally different setting.
I can accept the idea that some people might choose to live a life away from most technological conveniences, but they probably wouldn't have the same aversion to to it as some do today (aka, to completely shun medical treatments)... especially not when we factor in the premise that Earth eradicated poverty, wars and disease in the 50 years following First Contact.

And Picard mansion DID seem to use 'some' basic technology it seems (like electricity). And Maurice was seemingly fine with Jean Luc playing with starship models.

So, I don't necessarily think we're dealing with extreme aversion to everything modern in terms of technology... but more like not intentionally using technology to ease off what they think man should be doing himself (aka, valuing 'hard and back breaking physical work' over using automation to ease things off).

In that regard... I would think that medical treatment may have been considered, but by the time they considered that option, the condition progressed too far and she committed suicide.
For all we know, Maurice may have decided to seek out treatment in the morning (maybe to see if she would calm down by then), but then Jean-Luc let her out...

At any rate, we only have Jean Luc's perspective here and some tidbits from TNG... but nothing that would confirm that Maurice and Yvette were 100% Luddite or completely averse to modern technology and medical treatments.

 

[Photoman15]

IF the BQ that came aboard Stargazer is Borgati, then there's a chance Allison Pill will be back next season as Jurati. Jurati is also (fully human) on the Stargazer. When the timeline(s) is/are fixed, she should still be there. Maybe....

 

[Deks]

IF the BQ that came aboard Stargazer is Borgati, then there's a chance Allison Pill will be back next season as Jurati. Jurati is also (fully human) on the Stargazer. When the timeline(s) is/are fixed, she should still be there. Maybe....

Since we are dealing with a temporal paradox of sorts... technically speaking, the Jurati that went back in time was the Confederation one (or at least her body was which was in control by the UFP Jurati consciousness).

Maybe its a technical loophole that allows human jurati to survive... which would make her a temporal duplicate (of sorts).

Or, depending on how the team gets back to the future... Human Jurati may end up no longer on the Stargazer bridge once the explosion is due to be set off (which will probably be stopped).

There are 2 ways the team could get back to the future:
Q regains his powers and he transports them back to the 24th century on the Stargazer bridge at the moment the self destruct is about to go off, and Human Jurati is no longer there.

Or, Q doesn't regain his powers, and they end up going back to the future with a ship that Tallinn was able to provide for them (using Q for his intellect to calculate the temporal vectors)... in which case, the ship goes back to the future and would have to stop the self-destruct somehow... but if you don't want to end up with Temporal duplicates, then the team will somehow need to be re-integrated (maybe by Q who might regain his powers by going back to the 24th century).

 

[Deks]

Even so, we don't want to risk her being in FBI custody... and I doubt she'd get out as easily as Picard and Guinan.

The FBI would have no reason to detain Seven just because she has some decorative body alterations on her... unless she was seen by police who chased her and Raffi in that car, and from that scene, the police would have a vague look at both of them before they were beamed out of the car (and even then, one officer who saw the transporter effect will have likely chalked it up to an optical illusion and that the car was likely running on auto mode - or that someone cyber jacked the car remotely).

 

[Charles Phipps]

See, for the type of society UFP is, I don't buy the premise this new generation of humans would be averse to technology in quite the same way.

Isn't that a central premise of Star Trek? That indeed, VAST numbers of humans actively FLEE the Federation for lives that are much-much harder and often following strange ideologies?

* The Masterpiece Society
* All of those rugged settlers that occasionally include people like Ezri's family or those criminals Miles o'Brien lives
* The people who left the Federation and became the dystopian hellhole that tasha's family are from
* That Luddite commune mentioned briefly in DISCO.

I mean, the whole point of the show is there's humans in paradise and humans seeking something else.

For me, the fact Maurice shuns technology and his wife does to is the easiest explanation why they don't get her treated.

 

[fireproof78]

Dr. Servin's group.

 

[cooleddie74]

And for those who might say that the space hippies weren't Federation citizens Tiburon was a member and it sounded as if Catulla was negotiating to join or become even more heavily involved. They weren't outsiders. Also, Irina Galliulin and Adam were both human.