What are your realistic expectations for Strange New Worlds

[Nyotarules]

My personal expectations for SNW
Captain Pike (Anson Mount) will give me orgasms.......
The End

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

My personal expectations for SNW
Captain Pike (Anson Mount) will give me orgasms.......
The End

You're in rare form today!

 

[Nyotarules]

You're in rare form today!

I have my moments

 

[Ronald Held]

My standards are too high. Not certain how satisfying it will be.

 

[Amasov]

Another star trek live action show, another hype, another good will fans may have, until something goes wrong. however I am more of a realist. After Discovery and Picard, I doubt SNW can be great.

While I will at least see some of the first few episodes of the show and always read fan discussion. I think my overall expectation is low. I do expect the show to follow the generic quality of picard and discovery because it is the same writers and show runners on the same streaming service and Alex Kurtzman record poor. The only thing he has ever done that got acclaim was Star Trek 09 and even that, the writing was not the best. The cast and JJ Abrams direction and production is what made that film exceptional.

I dont expect SNW to be high quality with artistic acclaim, like the Expanse or TNG and i dont think the show will be episodic either, maybe some first few episodes than the last 5 episodes will be about saving the universe from a big threat. I feel this is the easiest prediction because that is Kurtzman formula, he is been trying to make star trek like MCU for a long time and I think he will try it here again in SNW.

I expect this show to be CW level kind of show in quality, which is what discovery is, infact I will even say some CW season 1 shows are better than discovery. Superman & Lois 2021 from what I know is a better series than Discovery and Picard.

However not all of this is bad, since i still can watch a generic written shows if the characters are likeable enough, this is the reason I sopped watching discovery because i could not stand any of the characters and I felt the show just had an emptiness.

So what are your expectations and prediction?

anyone who has been watching tv shows for decades know, it is easy to predict if you think a show will be good or not.

For me the show already has three good things going for it.

The cast.
I loved Anson Mount's Captain Pike on Discovery as well as Rebecca Romijn playing Number One and Ethan Peck as Spock. Mount's Pike has the charisma that makes a great Starfleet captain.

Standalone episodes.
My biggest problem with Discovery (and sort of Picard now) is this undying need to tell a season-long story arc. Frankly, I'm exhausted by this and I think it's why I find Discovery such a weak show. I don't think that series has proven they can do it well. These two shows are written to be binge-watched and I absolutely fucking hate that. They structure them to just continually pile on mystery after mystery right up until the end before the show quickly ties it all together; placing all this pressure on the final episode of the season. Arc-based seasons also hurt rewatch value, IMO. I've honestly watched Lower Decks about six times because of its episodic structure and hope I get to do that with Strange New Worlds.

The premise.
Sometimes it's just good to go back onto a starship and explore space, unoriginal though it is by now.

 

[Ron M]

Something else I'm hoping for is aspirational characters. I could often look at Kirk, TNG Picard, Sisko, even Janeway and Archer, and say "I wish I could be more like that." It's trendy right now for TV and movies to focus more on characters' flaws, negative quirks, and dark backstories and to downplay their positive qualities. Maybe that's more realistic in some ways, but I always loved how older Trek's more optimistic approach gave us something to shoot for. Hopefully SNW will recapture some of that.

 

[Nyotarules]

Something else I'm hoping for is aspirational characters. I could often look at Kirk, TNG Picard, Sisko, even Janeway and Archer, and say "I wish I could be more like that." It's trendy right now for TV and movies to focus more on characters' flaws, negative quirks, and dark backstories and to downplay their positive qualities. Maybe that's more realistic in some ways, but I always loved how older Trek's more optimistic approach gave us something to shoot for. Hopefully SNW will recapture some of that.

Please take this in the spirit it is intended BUT you wish to be more like a randy himbo, who at the blink of an eye thinks it is noble to destroy prewarp civilisations, who likes coffee, has a personality that changes from week to week, hates Vulcans and loves to make strange speeches about gazelles?

 

[fireproof78]

Something else I'm hoping for is aspirational characters. I could often look at Kirk, TNG Picard, Sisko, even Janeway and Archer, and say "I wish I could be more like that." It's trendy right now for TV and movies to focus more on characters' flaws, negative quirks, and dark backstories and to downplay their positive qualities. Maybe that's more realistic in some ways, but I always loved how older Trek's more optimistic approach gave us something to shoot for. Hopefully SNW will recapture some of that.

I agree to a certain point. Kirk was aspirational but also honest about his flaws. He was a flawed man but not blind to that flaw. I think new Trek tries to show the ability to learn and grow in spite of our flaws rather than ignoring them or downplaying them.

 

[Ron M]

Please take this in the spirit it is intended BUT you wish to be more like a randy himbo, who at the blink of an eye thinks it is noble to destroy prewarp civilisations, who likes coffee, has a personality that changes from week to week, hates Vulcans and loves to make strange speeches about gazelles?

I said "often." I didn't say "always."

I agree to a certain point. Kirk was aspirational but also honest about his flaws. He was a flawed man but not blind to that flaw. I think new Trek tries to show the ability to learn and grow in spite of our flaws rather than ignoring them or downplaying them.

Kirk and the others indeed had their flaws--a too-perfect character would be boring, after all--but I felt like the older shows erred on the side of focusing on their positive qualities. The newer characters have positive qualities too, to be sure, but the focus seems to be on overcoming faults and flaws. It's like the new shows are overcompensating for the optimism of the old shows, and are now out of balance in the other direction. Maybe SNW will find a good middle ground. (DS9 arguably hit that mark the best of all Trek shows so far.)

 

[fireproof78]

Kirk and the others indeed had their flaws--a too-perfect character would be boring, after all--but I felt like the older shows erred on the side of focusing on their positive qualities. The newer characters have positive qualities too, to be sure, but the focus seems to be on overcoming faults and flaws. It's like the new shows are overcompensating for the optimism of the old shows, and are now out of balance in the other direction. Maybe SNW will find a good middle ground. (DS9 arguably hit that mark the best of all Trek shows so far.)

I don't think it's overcompensating at all. I think it is steering in a direction of "show don't tell." Don't tell me humanity became better; show me how. Don't tell me that humans are evolved; show me how. I can't speak for anyone else but for me telling me that humans are better means jack all when they don't tell me how.

Picard's speech sounds good until you realize that you don't know how humanity "grew out of it's infancy." It's an assumption pure and simple, and basically says (to me) that if you can't figure it out you are not worthy of evolving.

SNW is having Pike grapple with some pretty heavy stuff. I don't think managing flaws and growing past them is going anywhere. That is where culture is right now. And, to my mind, that's a positive. I love having optimism about the future but I hate the almost elitist attitude that sometimes comes from it. That Trek is special and only for special people to become better. Not those rotten 21st century humans. They all suck. (minor hyperbole).

The point is, if you want optimism then it is helpful to give people the "how" to become better.

 

[Nerys Myk]

ehhh…did it though?

yep.*

*In my opinion

 

[Mudd]

Please take this in the spirit it is intended BUT you wish to be more like a randy himbo, who at the blink of an eye thinks it is noble to destroy prewarp civilisations, who likes coffee, has a personality that changes from week to week, hates Vulcans and loves to make strange speeches about gazelles?

I can only speak for myself, but in most respects that would be a big step up, yeah.

Those prewarp civilizations knew what they did. Wait, they didn't. Probably better that way.

My standards are too high.

This sort of statement is generally best read as "My expectations for a thing are very specific."

 

[dinzy]

I am expecting a fun, feel-good, adventure show with content that serves as social commentary related to modern day issues. I expect the racist, triggered assholes to flip out over all of that and declare it as some evil woke agenda because they consistently vote for shit to get worse and feel the need to attack anyone who brings to light some of the bad shit they try to ignore.

 

[Bornin1980something]

Please take this in the spirit it is intended BUT you wish to be more like a randy himbo, who at the blink of an eye thinks it is noble to destroy prewarp civilisations, who likes coffee, has a personality that changes from week to week, hates Vulcans and loves to make strange speeches about gazelles?

OK, which one is Sisko?

 

[Nerys Myk]

OK, which one is Sisko?

The one that can live with it.

 

[Sci]

Essentially I'm hoping that Star Trek: Strange New Worlds proves to be exactly what it is being advertised as: a modern version of Star Trek: The Original Series, with a TOS-like sense of fun and adventure, an episodic story structure (hopefully with recurring semi-serialized subplots that build gradually until they culminate in the season finale, a la RTD-era Doctor Who or Buffy the Vampire Slayer), a modern characterization sensibility, lots of pretty and charismatic actors having fun interactions, some modern gender and identity representation politics, and an action-adventure orientation.

 

[dupersuper]

I think it will be like Dave Filoni's Star Wars shows or Disney Plus Marvel shows.

Oooo, I hope so. I love those.

I am all in for pop philosophy, but sometimes the last few star trek is hardly that. As I said, Alex Kurtzman does have a thing for trying to make star trek more like mcu and his transformers written movies which are more dumb fun

I don't find the MCU movies dumb, nor the live action Transformers movies fun...

Don't forget salamander sex, rogue bats, and Ferengi gender swaps.

Can't I? Please?

1, definitely.
2 and 7, maybe.
5 and 6 were actually pretty good seasons.

2 had Measure of a Man. I could watch that any time.

Interstellar was okay, good but not great. I liked the film direction but I would not say it was a masterpiece. TNG Cause and Effect is a masterpiece of a tv episode. simply amazing. well written, well directed.

I haven't seen Interstellar so I have no opinion there, but Cause and Effect was...fine. I doubt it would break my top 30 TNG episodes. I found it - understandably - pretty repetitive.

I forgot to add: another expectation of mine is that SNW be rewatchable, like I can do with TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, some of VOY and ENT.

So far, I've not had that feeling with DSC or PIC overall. I will go back to some episodes of LD and some PR, but it would be nice to have the bulk of a series for me to be rewatchable episodes.

Yeah, the complete serialization really hurts the rewatchability of even the best episodes of Picard and Discovery compared to the other Trek shows for me.

 

[Nyotarules]

Essentially I'm hoping that Star Trek: Strange New Worlds proves to be exactly what it is being advertised as: a modern version of Star Trek: The Original Series, with a TOS-like sense of fun and adventure, an episodic story structure (hopefully with recurring semi-serialized subplots that build gradually until they culminate in the season finale, a la RTD-era Doctor Who or Buffy the Vampire Slayer), a modern characterization sensibility, lots of pretty and charismatic actors having fun interactions, some modern gender and identity representation politics, and an action-adventure orientation.

You don't ask for much do ya!

 

[Chakoteya]

My realistic expectation is that I will never get to see it, because it will never be aired free-to-view in the UK in my (remaining) lifetime.

 

[Muji]

Basically, I'm expecting DSC S2's "New Eden" or S1's "Magic to Make the Sanest Man..." every week.

Yeah, that'd be great. If we're lucky, they'll have some episodes that touch on themes that elevate it even further above those episodes. Stories tied up in a neat little bow, that we talk about for years to come; you know, Star Trek. I want this to be Star Trek.