That's debatable... but it also can't be helped. Well, unless you've got a Disney+ budget.
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Exactly. And if starships are characters...well, that's another discussion.
So which version of Tora Ziyal is right or wrong?
The one that got shotSo which version of Tora Ziyal is right or wrong?
I give Tora Ziyal a pass because she was still growing!
The two Saaviks are more challenging to accept as being the same person though.
The two Saaviks are more challenging to accept as being the same person though.
She was a Half-Vulcan/Half-Romulan; so her look depended of which 'half' had more control...yeah, that's it.
Weird to see a nineteen year-old "grow" so much in the space of just one year. Her first growth spurt took less than ten episodes. Must be all that healthy Cardassian food.
Have you seen how good plastic surgery is in the 24th century? Sisko and O'Brien go from looking like humans to looking like klingons and back again in 1 episode. If Ziyal wants to radically change her face so be it
She was a Bajor/Cardassian hybrid, they grow a lot during their 19th year at random intervals and also change appearance a bit.
I worked in the same store for ten years and did 3 remodels. Starships would strike me as the same.
In TOS, the Enterprise is as much a character as Kirk, Spock, etc.
To some, yes. To me, no. It's a setting.
Yeah I think Gene Roddenberry only trotted that little tidbit out because he was upset with various aspects of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.
And as far as that goes I think what they had James T.Kirk to do in that film was perfectly within character, and if anything showed conclusively that he cared more for his living crew then a thing that could be easily replaced.
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Personally I think the setting adds a lot to a series' character, but I've never thought of the ship as being an actual character. Well, except for Discovery.
I don't think you can call a nonliving entity a character. Enterprise is to Star Trek as Middle Earth is to Tolkien, in the sense that it's a setting that exerts a strong emotional pull and attachment for many people who love Trek and it looms rather large in our imaginations. I'm too lazy right now to think of any of what must be great numbers of examples of places in fiction where a great deal of the action takes place and that matter deeply as places to the actual characters in the stories.
The Japanese spiritual philosophy endows seemingly inanimate objects with living spirits. Space Battleship Yamato hinted at this through its original run back in the 70’s, then Final Yamato actually showed the ship as repairing itself (finally explaining how it magically “regrows” it’s third bridge after getting blown up every other episode) and bringing its disabled crew back to Earth on its own after being all knocked out. Even Analyzer/IQ-9 exclaimed “Yamato is alive!?!” before shutting down too. While not a common motif in Western media, it’s a pretty every day thing in Eastern shows and movies, FWIW.
Good for them. The Enterprise is not the Yamato. It's not alive. I respect that people can regard it as a character by fans but it's maybe treated like that by Kirk. It isn't by the writers. At least, not in presentation.
Good for the Japanese.
I loved the live-action Yamato movie, BTW. Without reservation.
But no, to the extent that the notion of a "character" in fiction has any useful meaning at all, Enterprise is not a character. It's a place. No matter how strongly sentimental one feels about it, using the proper terms for things is still a good thing.
I loved the live-action Yamato movie, BTW. Without reservation.
But no, to the extent that the notion of a "character" in fiction has any useful meaning at all, Enterprise is not a character. It's a place. No matter how strongly sentimental one feels about it, using the proper terms for things is still a good thing.
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