Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™
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Ship shape.Star Trek Ship
I’m all for reinterpreting Jeffries’s design, but Eaves’s design is dull and boring in my opinion.
Have you watched TAS?
What do you mean? Almost every Starfleet ship is some kind of riff on the Jefferies combination of saucer, engines and engineering section. Certainly all the Enterprises, Voyager, Discovery.
The ship should look like WNMHGB before Kirk becomes Captain.
They'll just end with a line of "She's all yours, Jim. She's due for a small refit in anticipation of a 5 year mission. "
From a continuity point of view, I would love if the Enterprise is gradually or suddenly refitted into the TOS version at the end of the series.
As a ship aficionado, I count myself lucky that an important ship like the NCC-1701 is given to us in so many iterations, and that we can have models of most of them.
As a ship aficionado, I count myself lucky that an important ship like the NCC-1701 is given to us in so many iterations, and that we can have models of most of them.
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"Wow, this refit really made the ship look like a sack of shit huh, Mister Spock."
"Indeed Captain. You'll note the upper bridge screens have been removed and replaced with pictures they just hung up."
"Why is the window smaller?"
"They replaced it with a 4K TV."
But there ere a bunch of people who thank that it should be an exact match just with better materials than what was available during the 60's. Have the same costumes just with better cloth but the same design. Klingon costumes that don't use bubble wrap, but the same design.The more stuff we see from SNW, the more it puts to bed the (IMO ridiculous) claim that some had that you couldn't do the TOS aesthetic in a modern show, that it would look stupid. Sure, nothing here looks exactly as it did in TOS, but the feel of it is so much closer than where we were in...other shows set in this time period.
Most people have stated you can do a modern telling with Trek but update the designs. And lets be perfectly clear SNW is doing just that. They are making changes to the design to better fit the medium of today. It's not just a faithful recreation of design using just modern construction and materials.
There is a big difference between it.
I mean look at the shuttle. That is a significant amount of physical changes to the design from TOS, a bunch. I love it, but have no illusions that it's the same design. They have used TOS as a starting point of the design and made it modern. Which is what most people who have argued versus those that want a faithful recreation.
Now of course with any design, not everything is going to work. And each person is going to have things that work for others but not for themselves. For example, I strongly dislike the tricorder, as I thank the one from discover shows a much wider functionality in its controls that would make it more of a realistic practical tool. Of course this is for something that is highly unlikely will be shown front and center watching crew persons manipulating the controls to get results to make comparisons between different taks in different episodes.
I think Strange New Worlds has done a good job of getting close to the original designs while making use of the fact that it isn't the 60s anymore. But I do feel like there's still room for them to get closer over time... within reason. Like if an exact TOS-looking shuttle makes an appearance in a later season I don't think it'll look horrifically out of place next to the SNW shuttle, at least from the outside.
Exactly. An update is fine. That's not what I heard called for.
I don't think that will happen. And the uniforms won't suddenly look like WNMHGB either.
While I'm looking forward to SNW, my issue with it (and DSC before it) is that making a Star Trek show in 2017-22 that takes place in the mid-23rd century, and giving it a more modern update from what we saw in '60's TOS, creates a problem where the technology is really no different from a Trek series (like PIC) that takes place in the 25th century. So now you have two separate Trek shows taking place 150 years apart, but technologically, visually, and story/plot-wise, it all looks exactly the same. If someone who had never seen a Star Trek show in their life were to watch an episode of both SNW and PIC, they'd be hard-pressed to be able to tell what time period each show is set in, other than such things as 'one crew wears a different uniform than the other crew does.'
that train left the station the second she showed up in Discovery. Best hope is that it gets a lot closer to the way it looked in the bulk of the TOS episodes by the time it’s over.
and too be fair, these show runners appears to really make an effort to line everything (ships, tricorders, etc…) up with TOS while putting their own spin. Unlike the Disco crew that seemed to be “eh, close enough”
I’m still team “Disco & SNW are an alternate universe” though.
The team I'm on is "close enough."
Is this really a problem? I wouldn't say the tech in TNG was demonstrably greater than in TOS. It was still phasers, photon torpedoes, warp speed, transporters and tricorders.
The only thing that matters from a story perspective is the tech relative to the antagonist of the week.
It's exactly the same for Disco. Even in the 32nd century their technology isn't really that different to any other Trek show. It's still ships going from planet to planet having adventures.
TNG wasn't airing at the same time as TOS though. They need to find ways to make the various series feel different now.
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