Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x05 - "Fly Me to the Moon"

[Timofnine]

Are there known instances of such people being gunned down in America?

I would hope not, I live in the UK and don’t follow American national news, but I was talking about fictional 2024 Earth where things have started to get a bit out of hand in America with Sanctuary Districts and people being ‘disappeared’. It’s all very ominous and the type of thing that could happen in such an alternate future?

 

[Photoman15]

Bonnie and Clyde.

Or more recently what about Breanna Taylor?

A police raid on the wrong address, they shoot a black girl sleeping on the couch in her lounge.

There were riots.

This is one of the reasons why they cancelled Cops.

Not the wrong house and her boyfriend shot at the police FIRST. Unfortunately, she was behind gun wielding boyfriend, Kenneth Walker.
She was not sleeping on the couch, she was awake and behind the boyfriend.

 

[jackoverfull]

None of this is going to have happened.

They are "physically" time travelers from the Confederate timeline.

As soon as the divergence favours the/a Federation timeline, then these buggers get paradoxed and Q puts their souls somewhere else, which is still not their original bodies depending on how long before the Stargazer's explosion that Q drops them off in the "present".

Aaaand here we go again.

Are there known instances of such people being gunned down in America?

Non-white people being shot by cops while minding their own business? Never happened.

 

[truthchampion]

Yeah, I thought he was too quick to deactivate the shield. Mind you, as a lifelong aquaphobe and late swimmer, I was a bit more unnerved by Kore jumping in the deep end on her first swim. Isa Briones certainly did the 'poor swimmer' act very well. I thought she was pretty brave. But not as brave as Lea Thompson, who did some water skiing in Jaws 3D when she couldn't swim!

Ever since watching the first episodes of Lower Decks I have said the same thing about new trek. Lower Decks is good because it knows it's a goofy trek parody and plays into that while STD and Picard are accidental funny trek parodies. I have watched and enjoyed star trek since I accidentally began watching TNG as a kid one night when I couldn't fall asleep after watching Arsenio Hall as was my regular school night routine. That started a habit that i still to this day go to sleep watching star trek 30 years later. I watch STD and Picard. I don't support them by paying for a subscription. Instead of watching for enjoyment I watch to laugh. They are like the Tim Allen trek like movie. Hilarious in how bad of trek parodies they are. It's like a comedy writer who only has heard about trek wrote them. They know character names but that's about it canonically. It's like they saw a few previews or commercials of star trek and made their own canon up from that. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't killing a once great franchise.

 

[truthchampion]

Wow, they seem to able to keep it up. I forgot to write anything last week, but that was another 9/10, and this one is equal to that.

I have watched every Star Trek series (began in 2015, so no nostalgia), and I have a feeling that this season could be my favorite season of any Star Trek ever made. Of course we are only halfway through the season, and things could go either way, but by this point in season 1, the writing was on the wall, but I have any complaints so far. The season seems to be doing it's own thing while giving the characters time to breath, especially so for Agnes Jurati, such a change from Season 1.

9/10 if it wasn't clear already.

Why did they even warn of the butterfly effect in the earlier episodes when they completely discard the idea later and go on rampages like Rambo all the time? They not only don't bother to research overall canon but also don't keep even the plot of the series itself remotely consistent.

I think the reason we see Laris, Elnor, Soji, Adam Soong etc... instead of new characters is because these actors got a 2 year contract, before season 1 started, and the budget is so low they can't afford new actors so they reuse the ones on contract. By the way, why would Maddox create an android (hundreds of years after the events we are seeing) that is identical to Adam Soong's daughter? Why does Q need him in dealing with Renée Picard? He has her in his office during therapy sessions, he can just go "I want to try something to help you, come over here and look at the sun" and push her off the balcony. Problem solved Since the Borg Queen (sorry, I mean the cheap Scorpious immitation from Farscape) can grab a police officer with a tentacule, why couldn't she grab skinny Jurati when her back was turned?

If she can implant herself with nanites in a human, why didn't she just leave in the Police officer's body and started converting humans to Borgs? Also, why is she helping them at this stage? She comes from the confederation timeline. When this is over, the world she came from won't exists. Does she think they will let her go free 300 years from the time she came from? The Earth wouldn't be safe from Borg assimilation, let alone the rest of this part of the Galaxy. But my favorite stupidity in this episode is this: The Watcher has a huge holographic screen where she can watch and see everything anywhere. Why did she buy a tiny televison set for her appartment?

 

[truthchampion]

Whose to say it leads to Armageddon? In pretty much every time travel instance, the goal is to restore the timeline with no thought given as to whether things might actually be better in the long run with the changes. We are given scant evidence that the preferred timeline of our heroes is the "better" timeline.

There was no Enterprise in orbit about the Guardian planet and Hitler won WWII, that doesn't mean that the timeline that came out of the changes might not be better. Remember the "better" timeline also has the Eugenics Wars, Colonel Green, World War III, the Romulan War, a couple of Klingon wars, the Borg and others...

Bad writing...Hold on a sec. Excuse me Sir.
Does the ship have power or not? hey can replicate or find clothes and make fake ID cards and all that for the gala, and transporters work no problem now. But earlier they couldn't transport easily and were looking for clothes off a small rack and didn't make any ID cards and so on. Why can they do stuff now that they couldn't do earlier? Was this explained properly? The ship can cloak and transport, but not heat or have the holographic things working. OMG, they probably ran out of money to make all those holographic displays and invented a 'ship has no power' excuse.

 

[truthchampion]

Unless the Watchers are needed to stop all of the people that are intent on visiting earth to cause mayhem? Maybe they are part of the Federation/Borg cooperative, a temporal investigation team that work beyond time and space using advanced Borg technologies to not put right what once went wrong, but to stop things going wrong in the first place on Earth and beyond. Anyway, Young Guinan probably wasn’t actually causing mayhem whilst on Earth, she probably just wanted to have a good time and didn’t care about the implications? But what would have happened if she would have left technology on Earth that had not been invented yet? It could have been backwards engineered like almost happened when Quark, Nog and Rom crashed in Roswell? Also, think of Voyager’s Future’s End when alien/future technology was also backwards engineered with dangerous implications too?

This kind of scenario needs protecting against!

My main issues are with Q moments. I don't understand either what he is doing anymore or why? If he wants to sabotage the mission, then push the girl in front of a bus and be done with it. Also, if he lost his powers, how does he do all this stuff that we see in this episode (unless he was preparing well in advance). Why does he need to imitate Freud? Also, how do these sercret romulan-style cameras work that the Laris-woman is using? Are they invisible? There are many issues that I don't see other people picking up on on other videos that to me seem absolutely ridiculous. But now I will watch your video and see if you mention any of these. Oh, apparently, it stays permanently dark in France during April.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Ever since watching the first episodes of Lower Decks I have said the same thing about new trek. Lower Decks is good because it knows it's a goofy trek parody and plays into that while STD and Picard are accidental funny trek parodies. I have watched and enjoyed star trek since I accidentally began watching TNG as a kid one night when I couldn't fall asleep after watching Arsenio Hall as was my regular school night routine. That started a habit that i still to this day go to sleep watching star trek 30 years later. I watch STD and Picard. I don't support them by paying for a subscription. Instead of watching for enjoyment I watch to laugh. They are like the Tim Allen trek like movie. Hilarious in how bad of trek parodies they are. It's like a comedy writer who only has heard about trek wrote them. They know character names but that's about it canonically. It's like they saw a few previews or commercials of star trek and made their own canon up from that. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't killing a once great franchise.

Why did they even warn of the butterfly effect in the earlier episodes when they completely discard the idea later and go on rampages like Rambo all the time? They not only don't bother to research overall canon but also don't keep even the plot of the series itself remotely consistent.

I think the reason we see Laris, Elnor, Soji, Adam Soong etc... instead of new characters is because these actors got a 2 year contract, before season 1 started, and the budget is so low they can't afford new actors so they reuse the ones on contract. By the way, why would Maddox create an android (hundreds of years after the events we are seeing) that is identical to Adam Soong's daughter? Why does Q need him in dealing with Renée Picard? He has her in his office during therapy sessions, he can just go "I want to try something to help you, come over here and look at the sun" and push her off the balcony. Problem solved Since the Borg Queen (sorry, I mean the cheap Scorpious immitation from Farscape) can grab a police officer with a tentacule, why couldn't she grab skinny Jurati when her back was turned?

If she can implant herself with nanites in a human, why didn't she just leave in the Police officer's body and started converting humans to Borgs? Also, why is she helping them at this stage? She comes from the confederation timeline. When this is over, the world she came from won't exists. Does she think they will let her go free 300 years from the time she came from? The Earth wouldn't be safe from Borg assimilation, let alone the rest of this part of the Galaxy. But my favorite stupidity in this episode is this: The Watcher has a huge holographic screen where she can watch and see everything anywhere. Why did she buy a tiny televison set for her appartment?

Bad writing...Hold on a sec. Excuse me Sir.
Does the ship have power or not? hey can replicate or find clothes and make fake ID cards and all that for the gala, and transporters work no problem now. But earlier they couldn't transport easily and were looking for clothes off a small rack and didn't make any ID cards and so on. Why can they do stuff now that they couldn't do earlier? Was this explained properly? The ship can cloak and transport, but not heat or have the holographic things working. OMG, they probably ran out of money to make all those holographic displays and invented a 'ship has no power' excuse.

My main issues are with Q moments. I don't understand either what he is doing anymore or why? If he wants to sabotage the mission, then push the girl in front of a bus and be done with it. Also, if he lost his powers, how does he do all this stuff that we see in this episode (unless he was preparing well in advance). Why does he need to imitate Freud? Also, how do these sercret romulan-style cameras work that the Laris-woman is using? Are they invisible? There are many issues that I don't see other people picking up on on other videos that to me seem absolutely ridiculous. But now I will watch your video and see if you mention any of these. Oh, apparently, it stays permanently dark in France during April.

A) Please learn to use the multi-quote function to avoid several posts in a row.
B) Why are you quoting posts that don't seem to have anything to do with what you post under them?

 

[Llywela]

Bad writing...Hold on a sec. Excuse me Sir.
Does the ship have power or not? hey can replicate or find clothes and make fake ID cards and all that for the gala, and transporters work no problem now. But earlier they couldn't transport easily and were looking for clothes off a small rack and didn't make any ID cards and so on. Why can they do stuff now that they couldn't do earlier? Was this explained properly? The ship can cloak and transport, but not heat or have the holographic things working. OMG, they probably ran out of money to make all those holographic displays and invented a 'ship has no power' excuse.

First of all, they told us right there on-screen that they were diverting power from other systems for the transporter, which was just barely functional when first used, which was why Rios got dropped into mid-air. Second of all, they also told us right there on-screen that the ship has been self-repairing ever since the crash, with all of its systems slowly but surely becoming functional again as time passes. Third of all, they told us right there on-screen that Agnes (with the queen's help) has also been working to repair and boost critical functions, like communications and the transporter. Fourth of all, Tallinn told us right there on-screen that she had tech that could help get them into the gala.

Oh, apparently, it stays permanently dark in France during April.

All the 2024 action so far has taken place during a single day/night.

 

[BillJ]

Bad writing...

I’ve been watching for 46 years, there aren’t too many installments you can’t nitpick the plotting on.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

B) Why are you quoting posts that don't seem to have anything to do with what you post under them?

I’ve been wondering this myself since Friday:

What do you beg to differ? You quoted a post of mine that was about how excited ‪‪I was for the episode before it premiered, and none of your cricticisms of the episode have anything to do with a thing ‪‪I wrote.

‪‪I was most excited for this episode of any all season. What are you arguing against from what you were quoting, and so appeared to be responding to?

The “response” didn’t in any way answer my question/explain what his post had to do with what he’d quoted from me.

 

[Bornin1980something]

Ever since watching the first episodes of Lower Decks I have said the same thing about new trek. Lower Decks is good because it knows it's a goofy trek parody and plays into that while STD and Picard are accidental funny trek parodies. I have watched and enjoyed star trek since I accidentally began watching TNG as a kid one night when I couldn't fall asleep after watching Arsenio Hall as was my regular school night routine. That started a habit that i still to this day go to sleep watching star trek 30 years later. I watch STD and Picard. I don't support them by paying for a subscription. Instead of watching for enjoyment I watch to laugh. They are like the Tim Allen trek like movie. Hilarious in how bad of trek parodies they are. It's like a comedy writer who only has heard about trek wrote them. They know character names but that's about it canonically. It's like they saw a few previews or commercials of star trek and made their own canon up from that. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't killing a once great franchise.

B) Why are you quoting posts that don't seem to have anything to do with what you post under them?

Yeah, what did that have to do with my post?

 

[Photoman15]

By the way, why would Maddox create an android (hundreds of years after the events we are seeing) that is identical to Adam Soong's daughter?

Maddox did NOT build Soji. Altan did.

 

[truthchampion]

So going by your logic, are you saying that the Federation itself should desolve the Prime Directive? Should they contact alien worlds who are not yet ready for First Contact? Maybe an early first contact would prevent ‘world end scenarios’ such as species self destructions through catastrophic wars or plagues/natural disasters. So there could be a plus side to early first contacts which violate the prime directive. Maybe the universe needs some kind of ‘Caretaking’ force to help keep things in balance?

This theory is not without precedent, we have seen the temporal Prime directive in Trials and Tribbleations, Relativity etc. but maybe this wasn’t enough? Maybe the Watchers are the equivalent of the universes guardian angels? Protecting equilibrium and harmony on planets such as Earth where these is so much potential for corruption to timelines and cultural development?

What is to stop an advanced species subjugating a less developed one? Time travel is irrelevant, interference is interference whatever form it takes.

They already ignored the Temporal Prime Directive last episode when they stole a police car and had a chase. Also, remember how Jurati told Rios he couldn't bring a phaser because it could affect the timeline? How come Raffi was allowed to bring a phaser? It's like the writers don't even remember the things they write. Not being able to beam Rios out was so dumb. They could have just waited until he was alone when he's in the restroom or something and beam him out then.

They already ignored the Temporal Prime Directive last episode when they stole a police car and had a chase. Also, remember how Jurati told Rios he couldn't bring a phaser because it could affect the timeline? How come Raffi was allowed to bring a phaser? It's like the writers don't even remember the things they write. Not being able to beam Rios out was so dumb. They could have just waited until he was alone when he's in the restroom or something and beam him out then.

Why did they even warn of the butterfly effect in the earlier episodes when they completely discard the idea later and go on rampages like Rambo all the time? They not only don't bother to research overall canon but also don't keep even the plot of the series itself remotely consistent.

 

[BillJ]

Why did they even warn of the butterfly effect in the earlier episodes when they completely discard the idea later and go on rampages like Rambo all the time?

Because reality often doesn’t match the philosophy of non-interference. The moment La Sirena crashed on Earth’s surface, they are interfering in the timeline.

As far as Raffi goes, she ignored Jurati and took her phaser.

 

[Photoman15]

Also, remember how Jurati told Rios he couldn't bring a phaser because it could affect the timeline? How come Raffi was allowed to bring a phaser? It's like the writers don't even remember the things they write. Not being able to beam Rios out was so dumb. They could have just waited until he was alone when he's in the restroom or something and beam him out then.

She snuck the phaser (and 7 called her out on it). You can't make up things to back up your position.

 

[Timofnine]

Because reality often doesn’t match the philosophy of non-interference. The moment La Sirena crashed on Earth’s surface, they are interfering in the timeline.

As far as Raffi goes, she ignored Jurati and took her phaser.

Just think of all those poor butterflies and caterpillars that they squashed as the La Sirena crashed. Their wings will never flutter.

 

[donners22]

It's like a comedy writer who only has heard about trek wrote them. They know character names but that's about it canonically. It's like they saw a few previews or commercials of star trek and made their own canon up from that. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't killing a once great franchise.

That’s plainly not the case; many of the writers are well-established fans, and there are numerous connections to previous canon (at times, quite obscure aspects of it).

Nor is it “killing” the franchise. This is a franchise which suffered a massive decline in popularity from the mid-‘90s, to the point that the brand was quite badly damaged by the early 2000s. Current Trek represents a revival.

I daresay the only thing which comes close to killing the franchise is the hyperbolic and toxic aspects of the fanbase.

 

[fireproof78]

daresay the only thing which comes close to killing the franchise is the hyperbolic and toxic aspects of the fanbase.

Yup. It feels very much an unwelcoming environment at times.

 

[JD]

I keep forgetting to come post in these threads, so this is going to be my thoughts on the season so far.
I've been really enjoying the season, especially now that we are in the modern day.
I liked the doctor Rios met, so I'm hoping we see more of her.
Loved the bus scene.
So does every male member of the Soong family that has ever been born look like Brent Spiner?
I do like the fact that they have Adam working in genetics, which of course probably leads Arik Soong's interest in the same thing.
I had been kind of missing Isa Briones, so it's nice to get her back as Adam's daughter.
I'm really liking Annie Wersching as the Borg Queen, she's a pretty close second behind the Alice Krige.
I'm curious if we're going to eventually get an explanation for why the Watcher, who's name I can't remember, looks exactly like Laris. At least with Adam and his daughter we have the Soong family connection, but The Watcher doesn't appear to be Romulan so there's no family connection.