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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x05 - "Fly Me to the Moon"

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jackoverfull said:
Anyone mentioning how incompetent the french police was? The officer calls in when looking for someone in the mention saying that nobody is there while in fact Agnes IS there and he should have noticed her abs Picard’s traces, then discovers a giant spaceship and goes in without reporting it and waiting for backup! Then he disappears for who knows how long and no one indagates.
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See, this is funny because over on Tumblr I've got French friends going, "Wow, a woman called for help and a gendarm actually showed up." The cop didn't find Agnes because he spotted the spaceship before he'd finished searching the house. He absolutely should have called it in, though!
Guy Gardener said:
The board of inquiry said that Soong's genetic experiments where already "illegal". The illegality of those experiments I took it to place the Eugenics wars 30 years in the past, exactly where they are supposed to be.

It is odd that he got a degree in a science that is forbidden?
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He is old enough that he'd have qualified before the ban. He's probably been skating around the edges of legality with his work ever since, wanting to continue pushing genetic boundaries without losing his academic credentials - and then his daughter's illness pushed him over the edge.
 
JoaquinSlowly said:
Of all the episodes this season so far, ‪‪I think ‪‪I’m most excited for this.

The overall story, Agnes and the Borg Queen, Raffi and Seven’s rescue of Rios, whatever’s going on with Q and whatever he has planned for Renée Picard and Adam Soong, and Isa Briones as Soong’s probable daughter Kore, all these elements have me eager to see what comes next.

But most of all, Tallinn the Watcher/Advisor/Laris lookalike has me very intrigued. ‪‪I rewatched Assignment: Earth with a big grin on my face in anticipation. ‪‪I love how Gary Seven’s a pretty blatant attempt at an “American Doctor Who” vibe (down to his servo being a clear sonic screwdriver substitute), but through the Star Trek/Gene’s lens.

Looking forward to seeing Orla Brady’s new character, and the explanation for his Laris-ness.
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i beg to differ. So many problems with it. Where do I even start?

Funny how the Borg Queen could have assimilated Jurati at any point before now, by grabbing her with her tentacles, and fingering her with her tubules.
Also, why did Picard's voice print not work, when a few episodes earlier, he used voice commands to activate the ships cloaking device?
And how useless is this cloaking device, that a random french gendarm can easily see it. At night. Hidden among trees. And he can just walk right in there. No closed doors. No acces code
required. Or voice print that, as established by the Borg Queen minutes
earlier, only works with Rios' voice.
Raffi should also lose her commission. She is an emotional wreck.
And why does Soong use such massive needles for his syringe?
How did he know that the serum would work instantly, seconds after injections, that he immediately deactivates his sun shield, that apparently exists for some reason.
Why did the supervisor pull a gun on picard, when she already knew he was unarmed, and already in her lair?
And how convenient for the show that this NASA gala has this ludicrous amount of security, when in reality it wouldn't have, just so the show can have another stupid and unnecessary heist scene.
Also, Rios getting captured by the cops, a complete waste of time, that does nothing for the story. Just like the Casino diversion in The Last Jedi.
 
Llywela said:
Agnes must have left the door open after heading over to the Chateau for her nap, complacent in the knowlege that the ship is cloaked and the vineyard is abandoned. If no one comes to the property and no one can see the ship even if they do, what's the problem? She did not foresee the Borg Queen calling the police or the cloak fritzing.
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I was under the impression that the Borg Queen was the cause of the cloak going in and out, as well as the door being open. She basically took control of the ship by imitating Rios' voice.
 
WarpFactorZ said:
I was under the impression that the Borg Queen was the cause of the cloak going in and out, as well as the door being open. She basically took control of the ship by imitating Rios' voice.
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I mean, yeah. But as for how the cop got in, Jurati leaving the door open is the simplest and best explanation - as well as the funniest!
 
TV: Picard travels back to contemporary Earth to meet Laris who is not Laris, but rather a character played the actor who plays Laris.

Me: Checks to make sure I am not watching Lexx.

TV: Raffi travels to contemporary Earth to meet Elnore who is not Elnore, but rather a character played the actor who plays Elnore.

Me: Checks again to make sure I am not watching Lexx.

TV: Q travels to contemporary Earth to meet Data who is not Data, but rather a character played by the actor played by Data.

Me: Checks a third time to make sure I am not watching Lexx.

TV: The biomechanical component that flies the ship dies.

Me: Lexx got a relaunch with some good Trek actors. Please don't bring back the gross murder carrots.
 
Lord Garth said:
That occurred to me while I was watching, but I thought, "Just go with it."

Either it's all going to be undone through Q Magic or, even if not, they're not going to do anything critical that will Alter All Of Humanity.
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Maybe in the next days' L.A times there will be a "Female duo hijack ICE transfer bus, dozens escape" with a photo of Rios as the ringleader as recalled by the ICE officer. But since Picard says records of the era are horribly incomplete, we won't see a photo of Rios in archives like we did with Sisko instead of Bell. Though if the archives are so incomplete, how did they get that level of detail about the Bell riots in the first place?
 
hxclespaulplayer said:
Maybe in the next days' L.A times there will be a "Female duo hijack ICE transfer bus, dozens escape" with a photo of Rios as the ringleader as recalled by the ICE officer. But since Picard says records of the era are horribly incomplete, we won't see a photo of Rios in archives like we did with Sisko instead of Bell. Though if the archives are so incomplete, how did they get that level of detail about the Bell riots in the first place?
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That part is "complete?"
 
Mr Awe said:
It was weird seeing Q becoming a schemer. Not really his thing. He'd play tricks on others, but it wasn't like him to actively get involved in plots. Not sure why he's so hell bent on messing up the timeline.
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He's probably dying and wants to get as much trickstering in, even without his powers, while he still can.
 
truthchampion said:
i beg to differ. So many problems with it. Where do I even start?
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What do you beg to differ? You quoted a post of mine that was about how excited ‪‪I was for the episode before it premiered, and none of your cricticisms of the episode have anything to do with a thing ‪‪I wrote.

‪‪I was most excited for this episode of any all season. What are you arguing against from what you were quoting, and so appeared to be responding to?
 
Another great episode helmed by the great Number One, Jonathan Frakes.

Re Jurati and the Borg Queen, does anyone else think the Queen is finally getting in Jurati what she couldnt get from Picard/Locutus? That is, a human being with a mind of her own, who could bridge the gulf between humanity and the Borg.

Looks like the Queen is getting that counterpart she always wanted (in a Head-six-from-BSG kind of way)?
 
CommanderTrip said:
Re Jurati and the Borg Queen, does anyone else think the Queen is finally getting in Jurati what she couldnt get from Picard/Locutus? That is, a human being with a mind of her own, who could bridge the gulf between humanity and the Borg.

Looks like the Queen is getting that counterpart she always wanted (in a Head-six-from-BSG kind of way)?
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Maybe. I was very struck by the language she used with Agnes - pure unadulturated gaslighting, the kind of manipulative language emotional abusers use to entrap their victims. "I am the only person who understands you. I am the only person who appreciates you. I am all you've got, you will be completely alone without me." All designed to drive a wedge between the victim and their support system. Playing on Agnes's deepest, darkest fears and self-doubt - as seen in the season premiere, in which she regaled that flirty Deltan with tales of her woeful love life. It ties in with Picard's own arc about never being willing to truly open himself up to the possibility of love. Agnes seems to struggle in much the same way - when she bickered with Rios in 2.02 about their breakup, he made that point, that she couldn't bring herself to open up to a flesh and blood human, preferring the company of synthetic beings and research. It can be a self-perpetuating thing - fearing being alone yet pushing people away to pre-empt what feels like inevitable rejection. We have seen that Agnes has good friends who trust and believe in her, yet that self-doubt remains, undermining her confidence and her relationships, and that is what the Queen has been playing on, recognising it as her way in. Where they go from here will be intriguing to see.
 
Llywela said:
Maybe. I was very struck by the language she used with Agnes - pure unadulturated gaslighting, the kind of manipulative language emotional abusers use to entrap their victims. "I am the only person who understands you. I am the only person who appreciates you. I am all you've got, you will be completely alone without me." All designed to drive a wedge between the victim and their support system. Playing on Agnes's deepest, darkest fears and self-doubt - as seen in the season premiere, in which she regaled that flirty Deltan with tales of her woeful love life. It ties in with Picard's own arc about never being willing to truly open himself up to the possibility of love. Agnes seems to struggle in much the same way - when she bickered with Rios in 2.02 about their breakup, he made that point, that she couldn't bring herself to open up to a flesh and blood human, preferring the company of synthetic beings and research. It can be a self-perpetuating thing - fearing being alone yet pushing people away to pre-empt what feels like inevitable rejection. We have seen that Agnes has good friends who trust and believe in her, yet that self-doubt remains, undermining her confidence and her relationships, and that is what the Queen has been playing on, recognising it as her way in. Where they go from here will be intriguing to see.
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Or Jurati is self-aware enough that she's sucking the Queen in and will turn her into her new holo-cat. Jurati and her snarky evil sidekick. The perfect cat.
 
Gov Kodos said:
Or Jurati is self-aware enough that she's sucking the Queen in and will turn her into her new holo-cat. Jurati and her snarky evil sidekick. The perfect cat.
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:hugegrin: She seemed pretty shocked when the Queen grabbed her and injected her nanoprobes, or whatever. But then again, as seen in S1, Agnes P Jurati is a much better undercover agent than she is given credit for...
 
Why is the Laris clone called a supervisor and not an agent?
To me, a 25 year assignment is agent material, not supervisor.
A supervisor would run a whole planet or sector, not run boring duty on 1 person.
Agents 301 and 207 were doing the launch platform before Gary 7 showed up.
 
Llywela said:
:hugegrin: She seemed pretty shocked when the Queen grabbed her and injected her nanoprobes, or whatever. But then again, as seen in S1, Agnes P Jurati is a much better undercover agent than she is given credit for...
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Rios's next relationship argument with Jurati could go more like Venkman's with Dana in Ghostbusters.

BQ/Jurati: Do you want this body?

Rios: Is this a trick question? Sounds like you got at least two people in there already.
 
You know, it's starting to get a bit annoying to me that aside from Jurati, the supporting crew of La Sirena really have no reason to be in the story. Or at least haven't since Episode 2.

Rios, Raffi, and Seven pretty clearly just had their parts written over the last three episodes to give them something to do before the gang got back together. There was no intriguing story or notable character arc. I didn't mind Rios' story really, but it didn't add anything. And Raffi/Seven was just awful.
 
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