That level of micro-management is 100% American. Whether it has seeped into other countries, I can't say.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x05 - "Fly Me to the Moon"
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That level of micro-management is 100% American. Whether it has seeped into other countries, I can't say.
As an American I know ICE has a lot of problems and I totally understand that being showcased in these episodes. However, isn't letting loose a bunch of immigrants, who would have been deported if Picard's crew hadn't intervened, back into the US a massive timeline alteration that would have completely unpredictable effects? Can't imagine Temporal Investigations will be happy about this one, and Picard's probably already exceeded Kirk's list of temporal violations.
I seem to remember this mentioned in some episode. Can't remember which one though.
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yep. What they did might have unforeseen repercussions over the timeline.
Lucsley: "Seventeen separate temporal violations. The biggest file on record."
Dulmer: "The man was a menace."
Dulmer: "The man was a menace."
Ha ha.
Thanks!
Yeah I'm enjoying the show so far, but there's some serious disregard for timeline preservation, which is ironic considering the whole point of this story is to prevent a divergence in the first place. From Raffi's mugging, to the police chase, to the Rios whole storyline, to the French cop and the Borg Queen, there's a lot of stuff that could create divergences in their own right.
And speaking of the Borg Queen, isn't she little miss sassy. And now she's also little miss Harvey, inside Jurati's head.
Nice to see the concept of Assignment: Earth revisited in this series, although it makes me wonder how long the watchers monitored Earth and specific humans. Do they still exist in the 22nd-25th Century (and beyond), or were they only around to ensure Earth's eventual transformation into a utopia and its co-founding of the Federation. It would have been a nice retcon if we learned they are just Temporal Agents who came with up with the origin story told be Gary Seven as a way of throwing off the 23rd century and 24th Century Starfleet officers they would enviably come across in the 20th and 21st Century.
We may get an answer to this if any connection between Tallinn and Laris is ultimately revealed.
That's not even getting into the unintended awful messaging being that a bunch of Hispanic guys' timelines being altered is of no importance to the future, but the stress problems of a beautiful, over-accomplished white woman are so crucial that the fate of the galaxy hinges on them.
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I thought that about the Hispanics. It reminded me of the homeless man who accidentally vaporizes himself in City On The Edge Of Forever. This was seen as inconsequential.
You do make a good point about the elevated importance of the white woman. That said, Discovery has done similarly jarring stories of destiny with people of color. I have never liked the 'one hero with a great destiny' storytelling. It tends to make everyone else collateral, even if, as in this case, they are allowed to live.
the problem is that if they are coming from the future they should be coming from the *confederation* future, according to the time travel logic they are going for.
definitely unintended, but good point.
And honestly, they had a perfect chance to point out the importance of not changing the past by freeing Rios and leaving everyone else chained, appearing as bad guys, instead they freed everybody and to hell with the repercussions.
Maybe this event in history with the prisoners escaping was meant to happen regardless so that they could all go on to live their lives undocumented and off grid in America, discreetly impacting on society somehow in a positive way that helps lead to the future that we know and love? Or alternatively perhaps all of the escaped prisoners were recaptured, disappeared or gunned down? Therefore there was no impact on the timeline at all (or possibly this is part of what leads up to the Confederation timeline?). Maybe this just was not a ‘butterfly’ moment at all? Perhaps they were going to escape anyway but Seven and Raffi beat them to it and saved them the trouble? I’m sure that a Watcher would have intervened otherwise.
Or the bus is the real butterfly. It won't be available to transport someone who subsequently escapes detention, blends into society living in obscurity instead of becoming the great leader he ought to have been. Or this butterfly thing is bullshit for the writers to justify plot twists.
Or this was just a fixed point in time with no noticeable or very minor consequences. All time travel related interactions would cause butterfly effects to some extent, but some much smaller and less noticeable than others. Just talking to someone in the past or sneezing on them as they walk past could change their actions or part of their daily routine. Maybe the universe can iron out these smaller things? It’s the fixed points in time that really need protecting, so either the event was insignificant to history, or it was meant to happen anyway? Maybe all of the passengers were going to crash in the bus and die? Now they are all alive and free thanks to our duo.
Whatever the case, Raffi and 7 had no reason to believe their interference wouldn’t change anything. This is as risky as Kirk removing Gillian from the 20th century, only multiplied several times.
Also, the watchers doesn’t seem to do much apart from watching these days.
Also, the watchers doesn’t seem to do much apart from watching these days.
None of this is going to have happened.
They are "physically" time travelers from the Confederate timeline.
As soon as the divergence favours the/a Federation timeline, then these buggers get paradoxed and Q puts their souls somewhere else, which is still not their original bodies depending on how long before the Stargazer's explosion that Q drops them off in the "present".
Are there known instances of such people being gunned down in America?
Bonnie and Clyde.
Or more recently what about Breanna Taylor?
A police raid on the wrong address, they shoot a black girl sleeping on the couch in her lounge.
There were riots.
This is one of the reasons why they cancelled Cops.