I think there were enough clues in the episode for people to figure it out. That some refuse too, is their problem.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"
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I mean, I'm pretty sure the episode I watched did explain how Guinan got to where she is now. She flat out told us, in fact, right there on screen, that after all those years watching the worst of how humans treat one another she could see no hope of improvement and couldn't stand to watch anymore (I'm paraphrasing, obvs). What more do we need to know to understand her disillusionment?
For her turn to the camera with a “Dear White People” breakdown of what she sees as wrong and why she hadn’t left the planet yet.
Well it is tricky when your dealing with a existing character who is acting out of character and who we are meeting for the first time while being played by a new actor who looks nothing like the old actor. Their is nothing in her performance that says this is Guinan other than she says she is Guinan.
A least if it was Whoopi we would know right away it's Guinan and when we see her acting out of character that would prompt questions that would naturally lead into the life she has been living that made her that way. Whoopi would have made all of this stuff play better IMO. They should have spent the money and got the guy who did Luke Skywalker on Boba Fett.
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Guinan's version of 95 theses, complete with notes and references, as well as a documented list of grievances because we cannot imagine anybody to ever suffer from disillusionment who works with human suffering.
*goes back to reading his article on compassion fatigue*
This needs to be on screen.
Who now works for Disney.
I love this idea of just how much money productions must have.
I didn’t really see her as acting out of character.
You posted the Coda novels chart, not the Picard Chart
So she didn't see humans do anything good in all those years? She didn't experience any of the positive changes that humanity has done over the years? To me this is something people don't understand about optimistic people. They see the bad things people do and the problems in society. But they also see the good things as well and that is where their hope comes from. TO be cynical is to assume nothing good has ever happened or ever will.
Just finished rewatching. Definitely saw some hints of Whoopie's Guinan in the performance and the dialog,
She nailed it!
Guinan isn't cynical. But, she is worn down and worn out. She's experienced the ups, but at this point the downs have gotten to her.
This also assumes that optimistic people never burn out from it. And that's the danger. I am very optimistic about the future of humanity because I know that humanity is quite capable. But, I also work in the mental health field and watch workers burn out. It happens to the most optimistic of people.
Exactly! It's not an all or nothing proposition. It's worn out.
No, it doesn't assume anything of the sort. It simply means that the bad has become overwhelming, which is what has happened to Guinan here. She has experienced good times, yes, but right now all she can see is the bad. It happens. Even the most optimistic person in the world can get overwhelmed at times, because nobody is all one thing all the time.
TNG Guinan, 400 years older and for all her calm and her wisdom, also had moments when her emotions got the better of her and all she could see was bad. Like when Hugh first came aboard, separated from the Collective, and her gut reaction was 'kill it'. This Guinan is younger, has seen too much of the worst of humanity, and has decided to move someplace else rather than stick it out to see what happens next. That seems reasonable enough to me. I like my house, but if my neighbours behaved badly enough for long enough I'd want to move too.
You might as well give up, certain folks only have one setting...
But how does one wear out the same way a human would when you have the kind of lifespan her species does? It seems to me that kind of lifespan would make everyone really learn how to put things in perspective that keeps you very balanced and almost Buddha like. Once you have seen everything, many times over I am guessing that gives you perspectives that humans can't really relate to. She will watch everyone she meets that isn't her species live and and die over and over. She will see fascism come and go over and over and I am guessing on several planets as well.
That doesn't make you able to passively accept it. As others have noted she has had deep reactions before. So, why not now? Why just be completely passive when pain is something wears on all individuals. It is more unrealistic to me to expect her to be passively accepting suffering just because it has all been before. So what? Those are people out there, not just random numbers!
one was the SS Robert Fox, so unlikely to be ElAurian unless you make up a convoluted backstory.
It is fucking make believe. They wanted a weary Guinan, they wrote one. Either embrace it or don't...
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