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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"

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I was thinking about the "Seven knowing how to drive" thing. Even though she doesn't have her Borg implants in this altered timeline, does she still have all her previous knowledge that she retained from the collective? Theoretically, if during her time with the Borg they assimilated any Starfleet officer like Tom Paris who had an interest in "historical" automobiles, then shouldn't all Borg know how to drive? If there was any info about cars at all in Voyagers database then Seven would have downloaded it.

Then again, I seem to recall back on Voyager that despite all that Borg knowledge, Neelix still had to teach her how to chew and swallow food. So maybe not.
Honestly driving a car without a manual clutch is so easy that I have zero issues with her being able to do it. And we're talking about people that routinely know how to pilot alien starships they have never seen before!
 
Because Trek is social commentary, if at times very sloppy at it. And I'd like to think that if someone from 400 years in the future came back to our time and saw some of the shit that goes on that they'd be pretty emotionally disturbed by it and wish they could find a way to stop it.
 
That might be a difference in personality. For many, injustice is injustice, period. History doesn't matter.

I woudl be WAY more concerned of fucking up the timeline, and doing something that has negative consequences in the future. Priorities.
 
One thing I didn't get:
Why are all the characters so angry/emotionally invested in the social injustices of present day Earth? It's history for them! They should have some witty snide remarks how awful everything is, and how comparatively better they have it in their time.
Kind of hard to remain detached and aloof about something when you're walking amongst it, and one of your own (Rios) is caught up in the middle of it, and when fixing a problem in the past is what's needed to ensure your future.
 
Because Trek is social commentary, if at times very sloppy at it. And I'd like to think that if someone from 400 years in the future came back to our time and saw some of the shit that goes on that they'd be pretty emotionally disturbed by it and wish they could find a way to stop it.

I don't think so.

That's the whole core of the "killing Babay Hitler problem". Yes, you're stopping eveil things on an un-imaginable scale. But at the same time - the whole modern world (the one I'm coming from to judge the past) - is built on those events.

Basically, I'm missing that whole intellectual time-travel approach to the situation. "Injustive = bad" is easy. Letting bad things happen (say, letting Edith Keeler getting killed) to preserve the future is the much more interesting and logical angle.
 
You would eventually put a human face to things and be disgusted by what was going on.

I don't need to experience bad things to know they're bad. I already know that.
And Rios would just have gotten deported. For a 21th century man that's life-changing. For a man from the future who's on a mission to preserve time - that would just be a hassle. Beaming over from a prison bus, or from Mexico bak to the starship shouldn't make much of a difference. The more urgent matter would be time.
 
I don't need to experience bad things to know they're bad. I already know that.
And Rios would just have gotten deported. For a 21th century man that's life-changing. For a man from the future who's on a mission to preserve time - that would just be a hassle. Beaming over from a prison bus, or from Mexico bak to the starship shouldn't make much of a difference. The more urgent matter would be time.

I’m okay with the characters being human.
 
It's drama. Characters get emotionally invested to make the episode more interesting to the viewer.

We're not watching a documentary about future time travelers adhering to a strict behavioral code.

It could still be realistic drama.
That would be less on-the-nose and more subtle. But as is, I'm just thrown out of it an cannot see it as anything other than "cheap drama", instead of being emotionally invested & feeling what the charaters would realistically feel in such a situation.

Same thing as the Elnor-death: I myself would be pretty devastated by the death of a close friend. If that were to happen in my civilian life. If you're in a military-like organisation, doing pretty dangerous stuff, being trained from spacewalks to piloting shuttles to hand-to-hand combat, on a mission to save time itself - a sufficiently trained person would react very differently than Raffi did at that moment.
 
Letting bad things happen (say, letting Edith Keeler getting killed) to preserve the future is the much more interesting and logical angle.
When you're in the middle of it I will trust you will logically stand by and do nothing and have no emotional reaction to it in the moment.

Most humans are not quite that capable, training or not. I'm trained and there are some client stories that still devastate me.
 
The lamp shades in 10 Forward are very 70s, and the juke box might be even older if it's not ironic.

If nothing has been fixed, renovated or upgrade since 1965, I don't think Guinan has any money.
It's called ambiance. ;)
One of the hanging lights looks like one in my parent's kitchen. Their house was built in the mid 60s. :lol:
 
By all means, please explain why it is a totally ridiculous thing to say.
Because to all the people she is living with on Earth for hundreds of years, she is a black woman. It doesn't matter that she is an alien, because she can't tell people that, and they can't recognize that just by looking at her. She has lived the life experiences of a black human woman multiple times over and has come to empathize and identify with them. She's walked the proverbial mile in another person's shoes, so to speak, and they share common cause now.
 
I guess people expected Guinan to have a T'Challa style secret base complete with neutronium armor and her El-Aurian brother demanding why she doesn't share El-Aurian tech with Earth to start a revolution for social change. Black Panther spoiled us.
 
It's a science fiction show where most aliens look humanoid, speak English and breathe oxygen and where people accidentally get sent back to key moments in Earth history about as regularly as we send probes to planets in our own solar system. I kind of gave up on expecting Star Trek to adhere to a rigorous standard of scientific behavior when I remembered it was fictional and a drama. To each their own but yeah, I'm not holding Star Trek to unrealistic standards.
 
or seeing the trans-Atlantic slave trade during time-travel, or, heck, any present day war area.
They probably would. As would characters from other series.

Remember Bashir in DS9 Past Tense? Sisko practically had to hold him back to stop him from trying to help people. Then again he was a Doctor, and some of the people were sick. Though he didn't stop him from diagnosing that one guy in the housing unit.

And remember Sisko reacting negatively at first to Vic's Holoprogram ignoring the racism of the era. I'm certain if he travelled back to the middle of the slavery era he would have a hard time keeping his emotions intact.
 
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