Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"

I don't think she has any alien resources left.

The Mayors office screwed her, and she's pointing a rifle at people.

A replicator and a disruptor could make her Mayor over night.

 

Yep.

I guess some people find her "too uppity," though.

 

You sure couldn't tell she was alien in 1893 and doesn't come off as extraterrestrial in 2024. If Data hadn't exposed her true identity in front of Samuel Clemens she might have spent that entire time in San Francisco without even showing a hint of her true heritage.

 

It should have been one of her kids, it would have worked a bit better. But it was Guinan, so, there was a period there where 21st Century Earth pushed her overly her limit of patience and she got passed off at Earth.

 

I liked her just fine. I just thought she acted out of character for Guinan.

 

I'm sure the new Kirk in SNW will be a sharp change from William Shatner. At this point I'm used to recasted characters in the same universe being jarringly different all of a sudden.

Nothing may ever top recasting Roger Moore with Timothy Dalton in the Bond franchise.

 

And how much do we know about the character of 21st Century Guinan?

 

Wait, recasting Sean Connery as Roger Moore didn't?

Or, for that matter, Connery as Lazenby?

 

Nada, till now.

 

Nothing. I only have 19th century Guinan and 24th century Guinan as benchmarks. And she doesn't act like either of them, even though both of them act the same.

 

When you go from Moore to Dalton that's like switching from The Onion to Goth poetry.

 

Which we never saw in that episode and frankly that was always kind of unrealistic but it's also canon as well that she was hobnobbing with the rich and famous and seemed like her natural peaceful and optimistic self.

 

The McLovin department of IDs never fails.

 

She went through a cynical rough patch. It happens to people, the nonsense on Earth broke her. I mean, I agree it is jarring she acts so different, but it can be explained.

 

I don't even know why she stayed on Earth. Doesn't she like her home planet or want to see other places. Why stay on this dump which you would have to call Earth in 1893 when their must have been better places to go see.

 

Kirk went from a swashbuckling, fist-throwing explorer in the late 2260s to being a tired, far more quiet and collected desk jockey-turned-field Captain by 2285. The changes in Kirk from TOS to the first six movies can be very jarring but when you learn more of his post-TOS backstory in Generations some of it starts to make sense.

 

Acting out of character is pretty subjective. People in the real world change over time. Places where you start with hope and equanimity can change to places you have to shrug your shoulders and just call it a day. This actually happened with my job in the last couple weeks, and I am now looking for a new one even though I love a lot of people there.

When I think of Guinan, I think of someone who is preternaturally calm, sure. But she was already shown to have a temper. She stabbed human Q in the hand after all.

And we don't know how Guinan changed over 400 years. She seemed very young in 1893. Is she on the path she would have been if the "Time's Arrow" events had happened? A lot can change. In this new version of the 19th and 20th centuries, did the Devidians ever stop? Could she have lost a lot of her foundation on Earth as they devastated the population? Without the glimpse of the future, she could have over time come to the conclusion that the path of the planet was more-or-less doomed. Maybe she asked for the Aegis to get more involved, and was rebuffed. Maybe she considers herself a failure because her ability to listen was not enough to make much impact on a world heading in a bad direction. Any number of possibilities that have brought her to the place she is, where some random guy shows up the day she's closing up shop, giving her dog away, and probably leaving the planet and tells her she's his only hope while being super cagey.

 

None of those hacks had the Barry Nelson touch. Not. One. Not even the other fella.

 

She was an author, and referred to as "Madam" Guinin 8 times.

A news paper announced her "literary reception"

Guinan had put herself in the upper echalons where it is relatively safe.

 

Relatively.

But even George Washington Carver wasn't immune from the attitudes of his time.