Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"
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Well your question was absurd and completely unrelated to the issue, I gave it more dignity than it or your beliefs deserve.
Yeah that whole Meatball vs Worm was a relic of Daniel Goldin's tenure as Admin. He did some good things to NASA but he was by no means perfect and the attempt to distance NASA from a successful era he wasn't part of by rebranding was silly. Glad that's over.The Artemis rocket standing on the pad right now would like a word with you...
It's right at Union Station, hard to miss when you show LA
Didn't Picard kill Sarek and made his son watch?
The Borg must've assimilated dozens of car-driving cultures
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This narrative is what always happens, this notion that hyper-individuality is more important than the collective benefit, one, and two, that it occurs in a vacuum. Instead of talking about support systems nationwide to give shelter and aid to people crossing the border, you're laying it upon the individual to act, as if the individual must take on all responsibilities simply for wanting people to be protected from exploitation.
It also totally ignores the systematic issues that lead us into situations like these, and places the onus of change on one person, or a small group of people, so it goes from being "shouldn't there be a way to provide for those in need on a systemic level where resources can be allocated to the benefit of everyone?" and is twisted into "what are you doing to fix the problem? Open your house to immigrants if you care so much."
It is grossly misleading, as a question, or even as a thought experiment, because it seeks to shift blame rather than actually address the issues themselves.
On that same note, hyper individualism leads to fascism, because its focus is on the advancement of the nation, treated as one individual, rather than a plurality of common, intersecting needs among varying groups. It uses the terminology of collective good to advance the aims of a small group of people: those in power, and those who benefit from that power.
So a theory I had. Could it be the divergence in three days is something going wrong with the Europa mission? Say, it gets destroyed. But, there's also now a Borgified La Sirena near Europa where a battle between the Queen and Jurati took place. Jurati wins, becomes the new Borg Queen, and opens a space/time rift to 2401 to enlist Picard's help? The divergence is NASA, or whichever agency is in charge of Europa, detects the Borgified ship, reasons that it was what caused the Europa craft to blow up, and Adam Soong uses this platform to get elected President, vowing to unite Earth to wipe out all extraterrestrial threats. World War III is averted, and the Confederation is born.
The building Renee Picard came out of has the NASA Logo and Europa Mission logo on the doors. Q was also wearing a coat with the Europa mission logo on it.
So the Europa mission is very much connected, as is Renee Picard, whom Picard mentioned in this Academy speech in episode 1 as someone who helped explore the solar system.
So the Europa mission is very much connected, as is Renee Picard, whom Picard mentioned in this Academy speech in episode 1 as someone who helped explore the solar system.
Thanks for proving my point about progressives.
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She didn't do anything but give you comfort in your biases. The show brought discomfort and disbelief, and so it required reinforcement of deeply held beliefs. Finding a flaw with someone's human reaction and using it as a cudgel to reject the entire argument is not uncommon, but it is unreasonable. When you say someone is getting emotional, that is a disingenuous tactic, as it presumes you are acting rationally and without interfering bias. It is also bullshit.
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The question I have is, if this is the case, and Jurati is the Borg Queen who asks for help in 2401, then the events we're seeing must have already happened i.e. they're stuck in some kind of temporal loop. Maybe Q's "interference" is really an attempt to stop this loop and the lesson Picard must learn/what he needs to atone for is how to trust his supposed enemies?
I dunno. The more I think about this, the more I'm confused.
I assumed that was the case from the very start personally. He/Starfleet didn't trust the Borg, so Q put him in a timeline where Humanity doesn't trust anything alien.
I'm sure that no matter what I said you'd convince yourself that your misguided beliefs were correct and justified. You aren't interested in a debate, you're interested in shouting down anyone who disagrees with you while spreading misinformation and ignoring any evidence that contradicts your unfounded beliefs.
A couple of the trailers show a kid (in 21st Century looking clothes) encountering a group of Vulcans in the woods at night. I have a feeling they're connected to the Confederations Xenophobia in the future. I don't think it's going to be the Queen.
If you look closely on the left front of Renée’s red polo shirt there is the Europa Mission emblem as well, a shirt many of the background actors in the scene are wearing as well.
And the Dixon Hill novel Renée is reading, The Pallid Son, is a reference to “The Pallid Man,” from Terry Matalas’s previous time travel sci-fi series, 12 Monkeys.
Yes, I was quite confused at this scene as well. I had no idea what the significance of the woman was until just now.
Yeah sorry, her name only shows up in the subtitles, and Amazon Prime's X-Ray features. She is credited at the end of the episode, but not with a character name.
I imagine her name was meant to be surprise for whatever ever episode reveals it.
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And what point was that?
I'm progressive on most issues. Tell me why I'm disingenuous even though I've avoided talking to you about this until now.
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