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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"

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Q was trying to influence her and failed cause he's lost his powers.
I've only read up to your post in the thread on page 3, so maybe someone else has already posited that maybe the Watcher has shut down Q's abilities after talking to Picard.
 
I've only read up to your post in the thread on page 3, so maybe someone else has already posited that maybe the Watcher has shut down Q's abilities after talking to Picard.
More powerful than Q? Watchers must be tough.
 
Dukat was a key component of 35 episodes. That ICE officer was a secondary component of five minutes of one episode. He's not Dukat, he's the no-name background space-nazi Cardassian.

Which you could fix by a quick scene of him talking to his son on the phone and telling him he loves him and he looks forward to seeing him play first base in the next little league game he is in. Then soon as he is done he goes back to being totally indifferent to the people in the cages.

Also have hime ignore most of the stuff Rios says to him because of course someone like that is going to have people saying shit to him all the time but then giving him a quick sucker punch when he opens the cage for some reason without saying a thing and being all casual and letting his anger for Rios show on his face more than him just saying cliche baddie lines.
 
Again, that works if you hold to the strict causality loop issue - that you can't cause a paradox because whatever you did in the past already happened. But Trek has (usually) not done this, instead holding to the standard that there's some sort of "protection" around the current time travelers which stops them from being erased even if their current reality goes bye-bye.

There's absolutely no reason to think that includes past time travelers though.

The Temperol Accords recorded the movements of every time traveller that had ever time travelled, and annoited all that as legally what is, which were the building blocks that determined the present.

Time is jenga.

All new time travel is ether illegal and pruned, or legal and added to the accords map of time.
 
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That's still not a reason to write them like cartoon villains. Everyone has a point of view and everyone thinks they are a good person and has reasons for their behavior. Dukat was basically space Hitler but even he had different sides to him and some complexity.
See, this is where you have to be careful. Understanding why someone engages in acts of evil is good, it brings context, nuance, and awareness. What you don't do is give them justifications, because the murder of hundreds of thousands, of millions of people, has no justification. Beating an immigrant man for being an immigrant, whether adhering to some sense of legality or not, is unjustifiable, except to say that the man doing it is dangerous to people who don't look or act like he does. We call those people bigots for a reason.

This comes around to "facts aren't even facts anymore," said by Guinan. When everything is just relative, on what is there to hold fast? Dukat seems sympathetic because Marc Alaimo is an incredible actor, and gave Dukat the depth he needed to make him a fascinating, complex character. It does not, in any way, justify his actions. That is the difference between understanding someone's humanity, and empathizing with fascism. It only works for the people who aren't under the boot heel.

ICE is portrayed as what they are, and if it seems that they're played as cartoon villains, it is because they engage in cartoonish style villainy, but with much deadlier, and real life, results. What you see in the Picard episode is honestly rather tame compared to actions ICE takes against immigrant populations. It is not a viewpoint you soften, it is a viewpoint you expose.
 
That's still not a reason to write them like cartoon villains. Everyone has a point of view and everyone thinks they are a good person and has reasons for their behavior. Dukat was basically space Hitler but even he had different sides to him and some complexity.
Yeah the show is Star Trek Picard not ICE: Los Angeles. Not gonna spend too much time on Guard No. 1, his tragic past and how he volunteers at the local animal shelter, coaches Little League and is an amateur chef. He's there to show Rios is in a danger predicament.
 
That's still not a reason to write them like cartoon villains. Everyone has a point of view and everyone thinks they are a good person and has reasons for their behavior. Dukat was basically space Hitler but even he had different sides to him and some complexity.

If ICE doesn’t want to be portrayed as cartoon villains then perhaps they shouldn’t do cartoon villain shit. You know, kids in concentration camps and stuff like that. Just because ICE agents might cosplay as good people when they’re off the clock doesn’t make them such. It is not Trek’s job to give them the benefit of nuance. It makes it easier for us to dismiss the terrible things they do in our name.
 
Kind of how when Akorem Laan returns to the 22nd century and finishes one of his previously unfinished Bajoran poems Kira can still remember when it was unfinished and famous for being a work that Akorem never completed. Now it's complete in the station's database. Kira and Sisko know that they're now in an alternate timeline and can't explain why everything else is the same but she remembers the original poem.

Sisko: "The Prophets work in mysterious ways."
 
The Temperol Accords recorded the movements of every time traveller that had ever time travelled, and annoited all that as legally what is, which were the building blocks that determined the present.

Time is jenga.
... and you keep pulling at the most wobbly pieces. :techman:
 
Over on Reddit someone said Amazon X-ray identifies her as "Renee Picard". I switched over to the audio description track for that scene and it described the book she was reading as a 'Dixon Hill novel' so I guess that runs in the family. Couldn't get a good look at the tag on the tea bag she had either but I think we all know what it was.

I recognized the author’s name on the book cover. So that makes sense.

The book was written by Tracey Torme, Mel's son and writer/producer of Season 1 of TNG, and creator of Sliders
 
Which you could fix by a quick scene of him talking to his son on the phone and telling him he loves him and he looks forward to seeing him play first base in the next little league game he is in. Then soon as he is done he goes back to being totally indifferent to the people in the cages.

Hitler was a frustrated painter who loved animals, but I can't think of any Holocaust movies that would be improved with scenes of him working on his craft and cuddling with a kitten.

Even the most monstrous people will have something good about them, but that's not the point of this story.
 
Frankly the ICE cop in Picard was rather mellow compared to how real ones routinely beat, starve, and shoot the people they kidnap.
Yeah, they DON'T beat, starve or shoot ICE detainees. Nice try. Also, a nice copy of the facility that Obama set up for the detainees. Oh.... you think that was someone else who made those places?
 
So will we see Teri Garr next week, or maybe Lea Thompson? Gonna be interesting to see who "SHE" is in terms of the Supervisor.

I know you want a Back to The Future Crossover, but how about a Caroline in the City crossover?

There could be a another poster where Caroline the Cartoon, makes a political comment about the sanctuary districts being bad.
 
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Stereotype.. Ice agent bad.. Got it..
Nuance is that 95% are good people doing a job. 5 % are assholes (like any other law enforcement)
Cliche of ice agent bad to hispanic guy.. Doesn't show the agents actually giving a damn. So yeah.. Bad Cartoon villian cliche that doesn't show the truth.
If your going to have a "bad cop" show a "good cop" to.. They outnumber the bad cops in real life.. But this is a tv show..
 
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