It's not just us. Apparently even new Guinan actress Ito Aghayere (also a Trekkie) asked why Guinan doesn't recognize Picard and showrunners told her how they're interpreting time travel this season (i.e. Time's Arrow was erased): https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/st...inan-ito-aghayere-whoopi-goldberg-1235213292/
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x04 - "Watcher"
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Sure it does. Different timeline.
Did the events of Time’s Arrow change when Nero went back in time to 2233?
Both the KT and the Confederacy timeline have a shared past to the Prime timeline. In the former, everything’s the same up until 2233. In the latter, everything’s the same until 2024, or so it should be based on how time travel was depicted previously. So people questioning the events of Time’s Arrow have a legitimate argument and should not be made to feel
like they’re not as smart as you think you are. Matalas is apparently just changing the rules.
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Dude, this is the sort of comment that gives fandoms a toxic reputation. cut it out. The concerns are legit, after all Enterprise and its episode 'Regeneration' didn't magically get erased in Kelvin's timeline. The punk scene is meaningless if he doesn't remember Spock. Voyager outright said computer technology was reverse engineered from a captured timeship.
If anything, the showrunners could have made it clear by having Picard ask Guinan about the Twain incident, then realize it's a new timeline, informing him and the audience. Dr. Who does this all the time.
i can handle this just being a purely 4th wall breaking fun wink at the audience.
It's not an intelligence issue. Guinan has also been shown to retain knowledge of prior realities when the timeline is changed, so they could have just as easily gone that route.
I think the choices they made here were valid (though I would have preferred a line addressing it), but it's hardly a case of it being obvious that this is the ONLY way it could be.
Really? I don’t ever recall that being said?
While it defintiely confused me a bit initially, once @Harpsichord mentioned it, the time travel logic clicked and it made total sense to me as presented onscreen.
Yeah, once fireproof78 mentioned that the changed timeline affected her memory as well then it all made sense.
definitely: just look at how the timeline ALREADY is different when Nero shows up. I’m fact I opened a discussion on this topic up here some time ago.
There is no issue with Guinan not remembering Picard, the issue is with Picard not even trying to mention their previous meeting.
They’re apples and oranges, different types of time travel which would reasonably have different rules and mechanics, as their outcomes are radically different: altering a timeline vs. creating a new one.
The Kelvin Universe didn’t overwrite the Prime Universe, it branched off from a point with a shared history behind them. The change in Picard by Q has altered the Prime Universe, causing no split.
While I appreciate the shoutout, I don't think I got this one. Mostly because I haven't seen the episode yet. I just like making quippy jokes
strictly speaking NOTHING is “needed”. It was a fun touch and it ends decades of discussion.
Yes but he choose to be human. The others gave him options and he choose that one because he knew Picard would protect him from all the aliens who would want payback for his fucking around with them.
How was the timeline different when Nero showed up?
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