So you're saying...they need their pain?
When did the Janeway hatred truly start to coalesce?
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So you're saying...they need their pain?
One thing I actually wonder... is there any major Trek character who doesn't have a few detractors?
Even Travis Mayweather, who was mostly inoffensive and never screwed up once, has people who don't like him much. So of course a memorable character (who made memorable mistakes) will have a few.
Even Travis Mayweather, who was mostly inoffensive and never screwed up once, has people who don't like him much. So of course a memorable character (who made memorable mistakes) will have a few.
never liked him much and the competition with the leader of the MACOs was really childish.
right. Mayweather was so underused I already forgot about his existence. And my most recent enterprise rewatch was some 6 months ago.
Samantha Jones from Sex and the City, called Morpheus from Sex and the Matrix "the Big sexy Black Man" which is what I always called Maywheather in a bunch of reviews I did for trekcore in the early 2000s.
It's easy to call someone inoffensive when for the majority of the series they're also practically a non-entity.
I believe I read recently that TPTB weren't too impressed with Montgomery's acting skills, so it's entirely possible that he might have gotten more to do if he'd made a better impression.
New theory.
Maywheather's job was to wait out the Warp 5 Program, until it's redundant, which only took a decade, and then facilitate the NX fleet's assimilation by the Boomer fleet, because who else would want it?
Maybe the Boomer fleet is the Mothball fleet?
Maywheather's job was to wait out the Warp 5 Program, until it's redundant, which only took a decade, and then facilitate the NX fleet's assimilation by the Boomer fleet, because who else would want it?
Maybe the Boomer fleet is the Mothball fleet?
Easy enough to do. Mayweather's one of the few Trek actors who could be jealous of Garrett Wang.
With the usual disclaimers of "I'm a straight male so I'm not an expert at that sort of thing", it seems an apt description. If you see him in "Dead Stop", you wonder why they ever let him put a shirt on at all!
But if people are going to dislike a non-entity, they're certainly going to dislike a character who makes controversial decisions. A character like Kathryn Janeway.
Good. Given that he was the most competent member of the crew, he deserved to become a captain.
Easy enough, especially since Enterprise didn't list crew names in the credits. A d given his forgettable nature, would anyone have known to correct you?
indeed. Kim had several nice episodes, Maywather barely one and was basically an extra in most of the series.
Kim was screaming that the producers were racist at one point, they kind of had to throw him a bone.
He learned that trick from Quark.
The racism acertion was about how they wouldn't let him direct.
https://www.trektoday.com/news/070301_01.shtml
Easy enough to do. Mayweather's one of the few Trek actors who could be jealous of Garrett Wang.
With the usual disclaimers of "I'm a straight male so I'm not an expert at that sort of thing", it seems an apt description. If you see him in "Dead Stop", you wonder why they ever let him put a shirt on at all!
But if people are going to dislike a non-entity, they're certainly going to dislike a character who makes controversial decisions. A character like Kathryn Janeway.
Good. Given that he was the most competent member of the crew, he deserved to become a captain.
Easy enough, especially since Enterprise didn't list crew names in the credits. A d given his forgettable nature, would anyone have known to correct you?
I hate to say this, but Anthony Montgomery was just not a convincing or believable actor. Mayweather was definitely miscast.
I honestly don't know who else at the time would have worked, since everyone except Bakula was either new to the industry or fairly unknown, at least in the U.S.
It may very well be possible that the writers didn't write for Mayweather because he simply didn't have the chops. Likely why he was the only lead who was killed before the crew got to the Xindi weapon in "TWILIGHT". Mayweather's character should have been one of the best ones of the leads, on paper.
Ironic... the best officer on the ship, who never made any errors or broke regulations or shirked his duries, is the one who got the least spotlight. Sounds too much like real life in the retail world.
Looks like he didn't ask to direct until season 5. They may have decided he didn't have enough time to learn before the show ended. Robert Duncan McNeill directed Cold Fire, but apparently they only let him direct so quickly because Jonathan Frakes dropped out of directing that one at short notice. RDM said he'd been shadowing the directors since the first episode.
Yeah. Travis should have been a lieutenant by the 4th season, and a commander by the time of TATV. Of course, my head canon is that he was, and Riker's holosimulation was using outdated sprites.
And that's how Jonathan Frakes got to do "The Offspring". He put in his own time, he learned the craft, and he impressed the crew. I wonder if, when he had to drop out, he might have let drop: "hey, you know, Robbie's been putting a lot of work in, maybe you should let him have a shot."
Given that they were going to can Mr. Wang early on because he was more trouble than he was worth (he did improve later on), they might not have been as impressed with him.
